The Freeing of Europe

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Re: The Freeing of Europe

Post by Sertorio » Fri May 18, 2018 6:15 am

Drop Russia sanctions immediately, Italy’s M5S & Lega Nord urge in landmark govt pact
https://www.rt.com/news/427093-italy-ru ... ions-lift/

Italy’s anti-establishment Five Star Movement and Lega Nord parties have called for an immediate lifting of sanctions imposed on Russia. The coalition also introduced other proposals likely to send tremors across the EU.
A landmark government program published by the Five Star Movement (M5S) and its right-wing coalition ally Lega Nord says dropping the Russia sanctions would provide an opening for Moscow to be involved in solving regional crises gripping the Middle East.

While calling the US a “privileged ally,” the document pledges re-engagement with Russia that “should not be perceived as a threat but as an economic and business partner.” Therefore, the pact says, “it is appropriate to put an immediate stop to the sanctions imposed on Russia so it can resume its role of strategic mediator to solve regional crises (in Syria, Libya, Yemen).”

Going further, the coalition calls Russia “a potential partner for NATO and for the EU,” and underlines that there are other, more acute threats emerging at Europe’s “southern front,” namely “Islamic extremism, uncontrolled migration, and consequent tensions that arise between regional powers.”

Therefore, Italy, whose foreign policy will be centered around national interests, “should deepen its cooperation with other countries committed to counter terrorism,” the program asserts.

Russia sanctions aside, the pact calls for a revision of existing EU rules on immigration and refugees. It demands an “obligatory and automatic” distribution of asylum seekers throughout the entire 28-member bloc, instead of requiring them to stay in the country where they first enter Europe.

The M5S and Lega Nord also call for a “serious and efficient” deportation policy, suggesting that more detention centers could be opened. Financing of mosques and other religious installations should be transparent, and Islamic prayers should be conducted in Italian, according to the proposals.

Placing emphasis on solving domestic problems, the program pledges billions of euro in tax cuts, and promises additional spending on welfare for the poor, as well as including a U-turn on controversial pension reforms. However, the final accord dropped a proposal that sought radical change to EU fiscal rules.

Collectively, M5S and Lega Nord won the majority of the vote in nationwide elections on March 4, defeating the center-right Forza Italia led by former Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, and the pro-EU Democratic Party of Matteo Renzi. Both former prime ministers were left far behind as Italian voters opted for their anti-establishment rivals.

The success of the Euroskeptic Five Star Movement came mainly from the south of Italy, which some observers say can be explained by the uneven distribution of wealth across the country. Lega Nord had already governed two of the richest regions in Italy, Lombardy and Veneto, and apparently came to prominence due to its tough stance on immigration and EU bureaucracy.
Italy may be the first major European country to start moving towards a free Europe. While the US are not particularly targeted, it is to be expected that the new Italian government will join those who will try and prevent US blackmailing Europe.

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Re: The Freeing of Europe

Post by Jim the Moron » Fri May 18, 2018 6:51 am

"Italy may be the first European country to start moving towards a free Europe."

Well, it's about time. Subjugated Europe cries for deliverance . . .

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Re: Pondering European options in response to US economic aggression

Post by SteveFoerster » Fri May 18, 2018 8:03 am

cassowary wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 5:40 pm
It all depends on whether you trust the Iranians to keep their side of the bargain. You are not allowed to inspect their facilities. Trusting them is like trusting Hitler.
While I agree that simply trusting the Ayatollahs would be foolish, reducto ad hitlerum seems a little much.
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Re: The Freeing of Europe

Post by Sertorio » Fri May 18, 2018 11:45 am

Jim the Moron wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 6:51 am
"Italy may be the first European country to start moving towards a free Europe."

Well, it's about time. Subjugated Europe cries for deliverance . . .
It does. A region inhabited by 500 million people, with a 2,500 years old civilization, the greatest economic power of our days, with a highly developed culture, with some of the greatest scientists and engineers, cannot remain under the yoke of an outside power. We do not want to become the new hegemons, but we believe we can contribute to a more peaceful and developed world, provided we recover our freedom of movement.

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Re: The Freeing of Europe

Post by cassowary » Fri May 18, 2018 5:15 pm

Jim the Moron wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 6:51 am
"Italy may be the first European country to start moving towards a free Europe."

Well, it's about time. Subjugated Europe cries for deliverance . . .
Kick the bums out. Let the hardworking Europeans prosper. South Europe is like a lead ball and chain hobbling the rest of Europe.

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Re: Pondering European options in response to US economic aggression

Post by Alexis » Fri May 18, 2018 7:29 pm

cassowary wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 5:40 pm
It all depends on whether you trust the Iranians to keep their side of the bargain.
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You are not allowed to inspect their facilities.
Yes you are. That's the JCPOA for you.



That being said, if Iranians went out of the deal and built nukes, they could still be trusted on one thing: their reluctance about eating H-bomb.

Stalin could be trusted. Mao could be trusted. Hitler himself could have been trusted on that.

It's nuclear deterrence that would balance things out then.

However, it's better not to multiply the number of nuclear-armed countries, and Iranian nukes would soon prompt Saudi and other nukes. Which is why the JCPOA is valuable... if Europeans, possibly working with Chinese and Russians, succeed in maintaining it.

Not a done deal yet.

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Re: The Freeing of Europe

Post by cassowary » Fri May 18, 2018 10:22 pm

Alexis,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... l-cheating

According to the above US inspectors are not allowed. UN inspectors are allowed, but they must ask permission first and permission is not guaranteed.

These conditions make a serious credible inspection impossible.

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Re: The Freeing of Europe

Post by Sertorio » Sat May 19, 2018 2:16 am

cassowary wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 5:15 pm
Jim the Moron wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 6:51 am
"Italy may be the first European country to start moving towards a free Europe."

Well, it's about time. Subjugated Europe cries for deliverance . . .
Kick the bums out. Let the hardworking Europeans prosper. South Europe is like a lead ball and chain hobbling the rest of Europe.
Your ignorance is only matched by your bad faith. But that's not surprising. Why would a Chinese from Singapore know anything about Europe?...

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Re: The Freeing of Europe

Post by cassowary » Sat May 19, 2018 9:20 am

Because I read and I am also a realistic person not afraid to say the politically incorrect thing.

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Re: The Freeing of Europe

Post by Sertorio » Sat May 19, 2018 9:37 am

cassowary wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 9:20 am
Because I read and I am also a realistic person not afraid to say the politically incorrect thing.
A politically incorrect thing is often also a dumb thing... Being politically incorrect is not a goal in itself...

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