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Re: Thailand and China

Post by Sertorio » Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:25 am

neverfail wrote:
Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:18 pm
DavAdmin wrote:
Wed Jul 07, 2021 10:26 pm
Dictatorships favour profit over progress.
Never were truer words spoken DA.

Socialists accuse capitalists of greed but at least apart from enterprises owned and run by crooks businessmen make their money in ways that are benefical to society at large. But any tyrant ruler can shake the populace down in ways that confer no benefit at all.
No corruption cases among politicians in Australia?... ;)

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Re: Thailand and China

Post by DavAdmin » Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:21 pm

neverfail wrote:
Fri Jul 16, 2021 12:45 am
How could a country with Thailand's potential screw up so badly?
Military dictatorship may have something to do with it. :cry:
Sertorio wrote:
Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:25 am
No corruption cases among politicians in Australia?... ;)
No idea what Australia has to do with a topic about Thailand. :shock:

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Re: Thailand and China

Post by neverfail » Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:12 pm

DavAdmin wrote:
Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:21 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:25 am
No corruption cases among politicians in Australia?... ;)
No idea what Australia has to do with a topic about Thailand. :shock:
In this case, none!

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Re: Thailand and China

Post by DavAdmin » Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:01 pm

Covid: Is China's vaccine success waning in Asia?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57845644

Plenty on Thailand in this not so complimentary report ...

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Re: Thailand and China

Post by DavAdmin » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:27 am

This explains a lot:
Exploring the close ties between Thailand’s CP Group and the Chinese Communist Party

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"Given CP’s size and Dhanin’s proximity to CCP’s leadership, it raises many questions about Thailand’s ability to maintain her sovereignty, given that so much of her economy is under the domination of CP. After all, not a single bullet needs to be fired for a country to be conquered if her trade and economy belongs to another sovereign nation."
https://www.thaienquirer.com/30426/opin ... ist-party/

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Re: Thailand and China

Post by Doc » Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:22 pm

DavAdmin wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:27 am
This explains a lot:
Exploring the close ties between Thailand’s CP Group and the Chinese Communist Party

Excerpt of choice:
"Given CP’s size and Dhanin’s proximity to CCP’s leadership, it raises many questions about Thailand’s ability to maintain her sovereignty, given that so much of her economy is under the domination of CP. After all, not a single bullet needs to be fired for a country to be conquered if her trade and economy belongs to another sovereign nation."
https://www.thaienquirer.com/30426/opin ... ist-party/
The Chinese people will never allow foreign forces to bully, oppress or enslave us. Whoever nurses delusions of doing that will crack their heads and spill blood on the Great Wall of steel built from the flesh and blood of 1.4 billion Chinese people.” – Xi Jinping’s speech at CCP’s 100th anniversary

Xi Jinping’s address at the CCP’s 100th Year anniversary is as much a message of defiance as it is a threat. It is a clear message to the rest of the world that China’s rise is inevitable and that China still clearly remembers the days of foreign occupations. Perhaps it is not that surprising that the memories of foreign occupation are still fresh in China’s mind. After all, Hong Kong was only handed back to the Chinese from the British in 1997.
Given the the CCP did nothing to oppose the Japanese invasion of China show how much gall they have.

It is only a matter of time before the CCP implodes from it.
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Re: Thailand and China

Post by neverfail » Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:15 pm

Doc wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:22 pm

Given the the CCP did nothing to oppose the Japanese invasion of China show how much gall they have.
Considering that the CCP at the time was not the government of China but a hunted insurgency group there was arguably not a lot they could have done apart from making some hit-and-run raids on Japanese outposts and the occasional ambush of some of their patrols. Nothing to do with gall and everything to do with lacking the means.

The incumbent government whose duty it was to defend China against foreign invasion was the Kuomintang one party government led by Chiang Kai Chek (nicknamed "cash my check" by American officials who witnessed how voraciously Chiang and colleagues syphoned US aid into private bank accounts) . That go0vernment did not exactly cover itself with glory in the way they conducted China's war of defence. It is amazing that China survived the war only incompletely conquered by Japan.

While both the KMT and the CCP entered into a ceasefire agreement in order to jointly devote firepower into resisting the common enemy both were similtaneously keeping armed and munitions in reserve for the final civil war showdown they both knew would be fought out once their American ally has defeated Japan forcing the withdrawl of Japanese forces from mainland Asia.
It is only a matter of time before the CCP implodes from it.
I would not bet on that Doc.

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p.s. Thailand's role during WW2 was not exactly heroic. Their government (in an apparent bend with the prevailing wind exercise) permitted Japanese troops to pass across their territory en-route to invade British Malaya and Burma as the accepable price for Thailand to avoid being invaded by Japanese forces from Indochina.

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Re: Thailand and China

Post by Sertorio » Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:12 am

Doc wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:22 pm

Given the the CCP did nothing to oppose the Japanese invasion of China show how much gall they have.

It is only a matter of time before the CCP implodes from it.
You may wish CCP's implosion as hard and as long as you want, but that will not make it happen. The CCP truly represents China today and truly defends the interests of China and of the Chinese. As long as that is so, the CCP will prevail and run China. And make China the number one power in the world. Which shouldn't bother Americans at all. After all fixing US problems will take all of the energies of America for many years to come, so Americans should be happy to turn away from the problems of the rest of the world.

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Re: Thailand and China

Post by Doc » Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:21 am

neverfail wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:15 pm
Doc wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:22 pm

Given the the CCP did nothing to oppose the Japanese invasion of China show how much gall they have.
Considering that the CCP at the time was not the government of China but a hunted insurgency group there was arguably not a lot they could have done apart from making some hit-and-run raids on Japanese outposts and the occasional ambush of some of their patrols. Nothing to do with gall and everything to do with lacking the means.

The incumbent government whose duty it was to defend China against foreign invasion was the Kuomintang one party government led by Chiang Kai Chek (nicknamed "cash my check" by American officials who witnessed how voraciously Chiang and colleagues syphoned US aid into private bank accounts) . That go0vernment did not exactly cover itself with glory in the way they conducted China's war of defence. It is amazing that China survived the war only incompletely conquered by Japan.

While both the KMT and the CCP entered into a ceasefire agreement in order to jointly devote firepower into resisting the common enemy both were similtaneously keeping armed and munitions in reserve for the final civil war showdown they both knew would be fought out once their American ally has defeated Japan forcing the withdrawl of Japanese forces from mainland Asia.
It is only a matter of time before the CCP implodes from it.
I would not bet on that Doc.
I am not betting on anything, but the numbers are not in the CCP's favor. In fact they are heavily against it.

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p.s. Thailand's role during WW2 was not exactly heroic. Their government (in an apparent bend with the prevailing wind exercise) permitted Japanese troops to pass across their territory en-route to invade British Malaya and Burma as the accepable price for Thailand to avoid being invaded by Japanese forces from Indochina.
The Swiss did the same thing with the Nazis.
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Re: Thailand and China

Post by Doc » Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:26 am

Sertorio wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:12 am
Doc wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:22 pm

Given the the CCP did nothing to oppose the Japanese invasion of China show how much gall they have.

It is only a matter of time before the CCP implodes from it.
You may wish CCP's implosion as hard and as long as you want, but that will not make it happen. The CCP truly represents China today and truly defends the interests of China and of the Chinese. As long as that is so, the CCP will prevail and run China. And make China the number one power in the world. Which shouldn't bother Americans at all. After all fixing US problems will take all of the energies of America for many years to come, so Americans should be happy to turn away from the problems of the rest of the world.
Does the CCP represent the Uyghurs? Does it represent the Tibetans? Does it represent the believers Falun Gong? Does it represent the people of Taiwan?

The China central bank just demanded that Teachers repay their annual bonuses to the government Bonuses that are a substantial part of their annual pay. Why? Because the CCP is going broke. But the CCP is not just going broke in a financial sense it is going broke in every sense.
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