Wealth According to Seneca

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Wealth According to Seneca

Post by Sertorio » Thu May 21, 2020 5:09 am

Lucius Annaeus Seneca, 4 BC – AD 65
On Tranquility of Mind

"(...) We pass now to property, the greatest source of affliction to humanity. If you balance all our other troubles - deaths, diseases, fears, longings, subjections to labour and pain - with the miseries in which our money involves us, the latter will far outweigh the former. Reflect, then, how much less a grief it is not to have money than to lose it, and then you will realize that poverty has less to torment us with in the degree that it has less to lose. (...)"
My admiration for some of the Latin classics is ever increasing. Greece, Rome and their philosophy and literature are indeed the foundations of our civilization. We just have to pick up where they left, and we may end up with a much better world...

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Re: Wealth According to Seneca

Post by cassowary » Thu May 21, 2020 8:33 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 5:09 am
Lucius Annaeus Seneca, 4 BC – AD 65
On Tranquility of Mind

"(...) We pass now to property, the greatest source of affliction to humanity. If you balance all our other troubles - deaths, diseases, fears, longings, subjections to labour and pain - with the miseries in which our money involves us, the latter will far outweigh the former. Reflect, then, how much less a grief it is not to have money than to lose it, and then you will realize that poverty has less to torment us with in the degree that it has less to lose. (...)"
My admiration for some of the Latin classics is ever increasing. Greece, Rome and their philosophy and literature are indeed the foundations of our civilization. We just have to pick up where they left, and we may end up with a much better world...
Yes, I can see where you are coming from, Sertorio. You are a Marxist or Socialist or Progressive or whatever label you choose to hide behind.

You have an agenda, like all leftists. That agenda includes the destruction of religion, especially Christianity. This is called “cultural Marxism”. Antonio Gramsci taught that the reason why communism had not overthrown capitalism yet is because the plutocrats dominated the culture which supports capitalism. Hence we have culture wars.

So you want to discredit Christianity by elevating the classical civilisations of Greece and Rome. Yet in their long history they had no abolition movement. They practiced infanticide and they had gladiatorial combat.
The Romans practiced collective punishment such as the decimation of rebellious army legions.

It was Christian ideas that put an end to all that.
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Re: Wealth According to Seneca

Post by Sertorio » Fri May 22, 2020 3:11 am

cassowary wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 8:33 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 5:09 am
Lucius Annaeus Seneca, 4 BC – AD 65
On Tranquility of Mind

"(...) We pass now to property, the greatest source of affliction to humanity. If you balance all our other troubles - deaths, diseases, fears, longings, subjections to labour and pain - with the miseries in which our money involves us, the latter will far outweigh the former. Reflect, then, how much less a grief it is not to have money than to lose it, and then you will realize that poverty has less to torment us with in the degree that it has less to lose. (...)"
My admiration for some of the Latin classics is ever increasing. Greece, Rome and their philosophy and literature are indeed the foundations of our civilization. We just have to pick up where they left, and we may end up with a much better world...
Yes, I can see where you are coming from, Sertorio. You are a Marxist or Socialist or Progressive or whatever label you choose to hide behind.

You have an agenda, like all leftists. That agenda includes the destruction of religion, especially Christianity. This is called “cultural Marxism”. Antonio Gramsci taught that the reason why communism had not overthrown capitalism yet is because the plutocrats dominated the culture which supports capitalism. Hence we have culture wars.

So you want to discredit Christianity by elevating the classical civilisations of Greece and Rome. Yet in their long history they had no abolition movement. They practiced infanticide and they had gladiatorial combat.
The Romans practiced collective punishment such as the decimation of rebellious army legions.

It was Christian ideas that put an end to all that.
Thank you, Cass. I was afraid no one would dare to comment on my small classical pearl of a text. But you got it all wrong. Romans were far from perfect and some of their actions were abhorrent. But we are talking about 2,000 years ago, and if you compare Rome with other contemporary cultures, Romans were by far the best. But what I wanted to draw your attention to, was the exceptional level of intelligence and culture of the top people in Rome. Their philosophy and literature are those of a modern people, not so different from us. And the ethics of the Stoics - such as Seneca or Marcus Aurelius - were in no way inferior to the Christian ethics. After Rome it took us over one thousand years of slide into barbarity before we shook away the ignorance and superstition of the Middle Ages (with some exceptions). But if you look to your ancestors China you will find similar reasons for wonder. Confucianism was the eastern equivalent of stoicism. And China the equivalent of Rome. You should be proud of your ancestry as I am of mine.

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Re: Wealth According to Seneca

Post by cassowary » Sat May 23, 2020 7:03 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 5:09 am
Lucius Annaeus Seneca, 4 BC – AD 65
On Tranquility of Mind

"(...) We pass now to property, the greatest source of affliction to humanity. If you balance all our other troubles - deaths, diseases, fears, longings, subjections to labour and pain - with the miseries in which our money involves us, the latter will far outweigh the former. Reflect, then, how much less a grief it is not to have money than to lose it, and then you will realize that poverty has less to torment us with in the degree that it has less to lose. (...)"
My admiration for some of the Latin classics is ever increasing. Greece, Rome and their philosophy and literature are indeed the foundations of our civilization. We just have to pick up where they left, and we may end up with a much better world...
It sounds like what is in the Bible, Sertorio.

“The love of money is the root of all evil.”

I am afraid Seneca, while he had some good ideas, will fail to inspire anyone to a higher moral standard. That’s because he was a hypocrite.

Seneca was fabulously wealthy even as he nattered on about how bad money was. And his wealth was not earned by selling people a useful product or service. Rockefeller grew rich by providing people with oil⛽️.

Seneca grew rich by advising a brutal dictator, Nero, one of Rome’s worst dictator. His money was tainted by blood.
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Re: Wealth According to Seneca

Post by cassowary » Sun May 24, 2020 12:27 am

cassowary wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 8:33 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 5:09 am
Lucius Annaeus Seneca, 4 BC – AD 65
On Tranquility of Mind

"(...) We pass now to property, the greatest source of affliction to humanity. If you balance all our other troubles - deaths, diseases, fears, longings, subjections to labour and pain - with the miseries in which our money involves us, the latter will far outweigh the former. Reflect, then, how much less a grief it is not to have money than to lose it, and then you will realize that poverty has less to torment us with in the degree that it has less to lose. (...)"
My admiration for some of the Latin classics is ever increasing. Greece, Rome and their philosophy and literature are indeed the foundations of our civilization. We just have to pick up where they left, and we may end up with a much better world...
Yes, I can see where you are coming from, Sertorio. You are a Marxist or Socialist or Progressive or whatever label you choose to hide behind.

You have an agenda, like all leftists. That agenda includes the destruction of religion, especially Christianity. This is called “cultural Marxism”. Antonio Gramsci taught that the reason why communism had not overthrown capitalism yet is because the plutocrats dominated the culture which supports capitalism. Hence we have culture wars.

So you want to discredit Christianity by elevating the classical civilisations of Greece and Rome. Yet in their long history they had no abolition movement. They practiced infanticide and they had gladiatorial combat.
The Romans practiced collective punishment such as the decimation of rebellious army legions.

It was Christian ideas that put an end to all that.
Seneca reminds of me of some modern people, like the top supporters of say Hugo Chavez. For example, former Venezuelan Electricity Minister, Luis Motta Dominguez, was charged in Miami of money laundering.

Seneca got rich by being an advisor of Nero likely much in the same way as Chavez's cronies. Like modern day Venezuela, the top 1% were all close friends and supporters of the top guy, Nero. Seneca wrote about how money corrupts people. Chavez and his cronies talked about redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor. After all, they claimed to be Socialists. The result was that the people became poorer while they redistributed the wealth of the country to themselves who became the new top 1%.

A battle over billions in stolen Venezuelan funds is heating up in Miami federal court

The thing is that Socialist leaders always get rich while their people become poor. Then they put their money into capitalist countries. The Venezuelans are dumb to put their money in the US. The Americans are too honorable to take corrupt money from dictatorships. We have no such qualms in Singapore. Ask Robert Mugabe. He died a wealthy man in Singapore. And he was Socialist too.

Whenever a Socialist government wins power in a Third World country, we know what is going to happen. The country becomes a dictatorship. The people become poor while the leaders become rich through corruption and thievery. Such leaders are potential clients for the banking industry.

Remember my granny's wise words. Politicians join politics to gain power, money and girls. I think I will improve on that. Socialist politicians are in politics to gain power, money and girls.
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