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Evo Morales resigns and socialist everywhere claim US backed coup

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Re: Evo Morales resigns and socialist everywhere claim US backed coup

Post by cassowary » Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:49 pm

Another one bites the dust. Socialism does not work.
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Re: Evo Morales resigns and socialist everywhere claim US backed coup

Post by Sertorio » Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:32 pm

cassowary wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:49 pm
Another one bites the dust. Socialism does not work.
Your love of democracy is very tenuous indeed. You rejoice at any fascist coup, anywhere in the world. But do not rejoice too quickly. New elections must be held in Bolivia, and Morales may very well be the winner...

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Re: Evo Morales resigns and socialist everywhere claim US backed coup

Post by neverfail » Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:14 pm



I would say that Evo Morales, having enjoyed 14 unbroken years in government, has had a very good run. Since it is unusual for any single government in any country with free and fair elections to last that long the impression I get is of long term public satisfaction with the man and the way he governed.
He said he was leaving to help protect families of political allies, after their homes were burned down.
The fact that street demonstrator opponents of Morales resorted to destructive acts of violence against the private property of allies of Morales like that reflects very badly on the ethical standards of the demonstrators, don't you think?

I think that Morales did a very noble thing in resigning in order to spare his country and people further violent disorder. Bolivians will be exceptionally fortunate if Morales' successor in office proves to be so high minded.

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Re: Evo Morales resigns and socialist everywhere claim US backed coup

Post by cassowary » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:09 am

Evo Morales cheated in the election. That sparked the protests Sertorio. It is a good day for democracy.

https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/www.bbc ... a-50370013

Why are you supporting a cheat?
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Re: Evo Morales resigns and socialist everywhere claim US backed coup

Post by Sertorio » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:28 am

cassowary wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:09 am
Evo Morales cheated in the election. That sparked the protests Sertorio. It is a good day for democracy.

https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/www.bbc ... a-50370013

Why are you supporting a cheat?
There was no evidence that there had been any cheating in the elections. Not even the OAS could prove it. And Morales had agreed to a rerun if such proof had been provided. This was, once more, the US meddling in Latin America to prevent the victory of leftist parties. We will see what is going to happen in Chile. Once more...

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Re: Evo Morales resigns and socialist everywhere claim US backed coup

Post by neverfail » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:05 pm

cassowary wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:09 am
Evo Morales cheated in the election. That sparked the protests Sertorio. It is a good day for democracy.

https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/www.bbc ... a-50370013

Why are you supporting a cheat?
Bolivia holds elections once every 5 years. This means that Morales stood for election twice in a row before and won both elections freely and fairly. Yet this time there were enough improprieties at the ballot box to prompt a popular revolt. What this suggests to me is that Morales (or just as likely some of his lieutenants) saw that voter opinion had turned against the Morales government and decided to resort to electoral fraud (to "cook" the election results) in order to give Morales an extension of his time in power.

As president of Bolivia Morales had exceeded his "use by expiry date". By that I mean that he had done about as much good as he could have during his first two terms in office and it was now time for him to make way for someone else with some fresh ideas. All governments seem to run in cycles like that. If one stays in office for too long instead of energizing the country it becomes a cause for stagnation.

In Morales I see a man who started out well but in the end had become too attached to power and corrupted by it.

I also take note of the fact that it took the top military brass to tell him to go before Morales tendered his resignation. This underlines the fragility of democracy in Bolivia and over much of Latin America. The armed forces are ultimately the country's power broker.

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Re: Evo Morales resigns and socialist everywhere claim US backed coup

Post by Doc » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:37 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:32 pm
cassowary wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:49 pm
Another one bites the dust. Socialism does not work.
Your love of democracy is very tenuous indeed. You rejoice at any fascist coup, anywhere in the world. But do not rejoice too quickly. New elections must be held in Bolivia, and Morales may very well be the winner...
Morales was in power for 16 years It was his generals that asked him to leave.
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Re: Evo Morales resigns and socialist everywhere claim US backed coup

Post by Sertorio » Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:09 pm

Bolivian Coup Comes Less Than a Week After Morales Stopped Multinational Firm's Lithium Deal
"Bolivia's lithium belongs to the Bolivian people. Not to multinational corporate cabals."

by Eoin Higgins, staff writer

The Sunday military coup in Bolivia has put in place a government which appears likely to reverse a decision by just-resigned President Evo Morales to cancel an agreement with a German company for developing lithium deposits in the Latin American country for batteries like those in electric cars.

"Bolivia's lithium belongs to the Bolivian people," tweeted Washington Monthly contributor David Atkins. "Not to multinational corporate cabals."

The coup, which on Sunday resulted in Morales resigning and going into hiding, was the result of days of protests from right-wing elements angry at the leftist Morales government. Sen. Jeanine Añez, of the center-right party Democratic Unity, is currently the interim president in the unstable post-coup government in advance of elections.

Investment analyst publisher Argus urged investors to keep an eye on the developing situation and noted that gas and oil production from foreign companies in Bolivia had remained steady.

The Morales move on Nov. 4 to cancel the December 2018 agreement with Germany's ACI Systems Alemania (ACISA) came after weeks of protests from residents of the Potosí area. The region has 50% to 70% of the world's lithium reserves in the Salar de Uyuni salt flats.

Among other clients, ACISA provides batteries to Tesla; Tesla's stock rose Monday after the weekend.

As Bloomberg News noted in 2018, that has set the country up to be incredibly important in the next decade:

Demand for lithium is expected to more than double by 2025. The soft, light mineral is mined mainly in Australia, Chile, and Argentina. Bolivia has plenty—9 million tons that have never been mined commercially, the second-largest amount in the world—but until now there's been no practical way to mine and sell it.

Morales' cancellation of the ACISA deal opened the door to either a renegotiation of the agreement with terms delivering more of the profits to the area's population or the outright nationalization of the Bolivian lithium extraction industry.

As Telesur reported in June, the Morales government announced at the time it was "determined to industrialize Bolivia and has invested huge amounts to ensure that lithium is processed within the country to export it only in value-added form, such as in batteries."

It's unclear what the next steps are for the industry in a post-coup Bolivia, according to global intelligence analysis firm Stratfor:

In the longer term, continued political uncertainty will make it more difficult for Bolivia to increase its production of strategic metals like lithium or develop a value-added sector in the battery market. The poor investment climate comes at a time of expanding global opportunities in lithium-ion battery production to meet rising demand from electric vehicle manufacturing.

ACISA told German broadcaster DW last week that the company was "confident that our lithium project will be resumed after a phase of political calmness and clarification."

On Sunday, Morales resigned.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/ ... thium-deal
Now we understand what were the reasons behind the coup... As usual, not a desire for more democracy, just a desire for more loot...

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Re: Evo Morales resigns and socialist everywhere claim US backed coup

Post by neverfail » Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:57 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:09 pm
Bolivian Coup Comes Less Than a Week After Morales Stopped Multinational Firm's Lithium Deal
"Bolivia's lithium belongs to the Bolivian people. Not to multinational corporate cabals."


Now we understand what were the reasons behind the coup... As usual, not a desire for more democracy, just a desire for more loot...
You presume here that the new government does not have Bolivia's best interests at heart.

Never mind that Morales (and/or supporters) were guilty of electoral impropriety and that Morales might have lost the confidence of the majority of Bolivian voters?

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