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China - US Trade War

Post by Sertorio » Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:23 am

The "marvellous" results for the US of its trade war with China:

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Re: China - US Trade War

Post by neverfail » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:46 am

Well put Sertorio. But the trade war is not meant to fix America's economic problems but to give Trump supporters the cheap thrill of knowing that the USA is still hairy-chested strong enough to push other countries around - unlike during the "weak" Obama administration.

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Re: China Tries to Teach Trump Economics

Post by neverfail » Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:59 am

An impossible task!
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/08/opin ... trade.html

If you want to understand the developing trade war with China, the first thing you need to realize is that nothing Donald Trump is doing makes sense. His views on trade are incoherent. His demands are incomprehensible. And he vastly overrates his ability to inflict damage on China while underrating the damage China can do in return.

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Re: China - US Trade War

Post by Doc » Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:11 am

I know these video are long but they support the claims of each other. And those claims are very disturbing.



“"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros

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Re: China - US Trade War

Post by Sertorio » Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:26 am

Doc wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:11 am
I know these video are long but they support the claims of each other. And those claims are very disturbing.



Although political tyranny is most disturbing to us, money tyranny is a lot worse, as it tends to last a lot longer than political tyranny. Ideologies tend to fade into something less aggressive, as time goes by, but the power of money never changes. Ideologies are the power of ideas, money is brute power. Never mind what the rich believe in, all they want is to dominate, to exploit, to make their power ever greater. I would hate to live in the China of the cultural revolution, but I would know it couldn't last. But living under the dictatorship of the wealthy leaves very little room for hope of change. Faced with the ideological dictatorship, you can afford to sit back and wait for it to collapse. But when faced with the power of money you must destroy phisically those who hold that power, if you ever want to regain your freedom. The US is steadily becoming a monster which must be destroyed. Hopefully without recourse to mass destruction weapons, but destroyed it must be. The collapse of the dollar might be the least bloody way to achieve that, and so I hope that China, Russia and Europe will end up destroying the main weapon of American tyranny. Theoretically American voters could finally wake up and overthrow the dominating oligarchy, but I very much doubt it will happen as thinking Americans are but a tiny minority in the US. You only have to see what is happening to Tulsi Gabbard to realize how few are those capable of independent thinking in the US.

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Re: playing with fire!

Post by neverfail » Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:42 am

Sertorio wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:26 am
I would hate to live in the China of the cultural revolution, but I would know it couldn't last. Faced with the ideological dictatorship, you can afford to sit back and wait for it to collapse.
SERTORIO: you presume that you would have had the luxury to sit out the tumult and the repression. How do you know that you would have been granted that privilege? How do you know that you would not have been imprisoned? Tortured? Killed?

That's what makes me laugh about you radical left types - the smug presumption that it cannot happen to you. That you will be a detached observer throughout while others struggle, suffer and are destroyed.

Karl Marx had the same terrible detachment about him. While lauding revolution he never saw that revolution might rear up and bite him on the bum.

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Re: playing with fire!

Post by Doc » Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:07 am

neverfail wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:42 am
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:26 am
I would hate to live in the China of the cultural revolution, but I would know it couldn't last. Faced with the ideological dictatorship, you can afford to sit back and wait for it to collapse.
SERTORIO: you presume that you would have had the luxury to sit out the tumult and the repression. How do you know that you would have been granted that privilege? How do you know that you would not have been imprisoned? Tortured? Killed?

That's what makes me laugh about you radical left types - the smug presumption that it cannot happen to you. That you will be a detached observer throughout while others struggle, suffer and are destroyed.

Karl Marx had the same terrible detachment about him. While lauding revolution he never saw that revolution might rear up and bite him on the bum.
Indeed. 157 million people were murdered by their own socialist governments in the last century. There is nothing comparable to that.
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Re: playing with fire!

Post by neverfail » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:57 pm

Doc wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:07 am
neverfail wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:42 am
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:26 am
I would hate to live in the China of the cultural revolution, but I would know it couldn't last. Faced with the ideological dictatorship, you can afford to sit back and wait for it to collapse.
SERTORIO: you presume that you would have had the luxury to sit out the tumult and the repression. How do you know that you would have been granted that privilege? How do you know that you would not have been imprisoned? Tortured? Killed?

That's what makes me laugh about you radical left types - the smug presumption that it cannot happen to you. That you will be a detached observer throughout while others struggle, suffer and are destroyed.

Karl Marx had the same terrible detachment about him. While lauding revolution he never saw that revolution might rear up and bite him on the bum.
Indeed. 157 million people were murdered by their own socialist governments in the last century. There is nothing comparable to that.
What I was saying was that during revolutionary upheavals things tend to spiral out of control and with the breakdown of law and order nasty things happen. Indeed, it often take a ruthless tyranny to bring the disorder to an end.

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Re: playing with fire!

Post by Sertorio » Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:22 am

neverfail wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:42 am
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:26 am
I would hate to live in the China of the cultural revolution, but I would know it couldn't last. Faced with the ideological dictatorship, you can afford to sit back and wait for it to collapse.
SERTORIO: you presume that you would have had the luxury to sit out the tumult and the repression. How do you know that you would have been granted that privilege? How do you know that you would not have been imprisoned? Tortured? Killed?

That's what makes me laugh about you radical left types - the smug presumption that it cannot happen to you. That you will be a detached observer throughout while others struggle, suffer and are destroyed.

Karl Marx had the same terrible detachment about him. While lauding revolution he never saw that revolution might rear up and bite him on the bum.
That was not the main message of my post. My point is that money tyranny is a lot worse than any ideological dictatorship, but far too many people simply refuse to recognize that.

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Re: playing with fire!

Post by neverfail » Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:46 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:22 am
neverfail wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:42 am
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:26 am
I would hate to live in the China of the cultural revolution, but I would know it couldn't last. Faced with the ideological dictatorship, you can afford to sit back and wait for it to collapse.
SERTORIO: you presume that you would have had the luxury to sit out the tumult and the repression. How do you know that you would have been granted that privilege? How do you know that you would not have been imprisoned? Tortured? Killed?

That's what makes me laugh about you radical left types - the smug presumption that it cannot happen to you. That you will be a detached observer throughout while others struggle, suffer and are destroyed.

Karl Marx had the same terrible detachment about him. While lauding revolution he never saw that revolution might rear up and bite him on the bum.
That was not the main message of my post. My point is that money tyranny is a lot worse than any ideological dictatorship, but far too many people simply refuse to recognize that.
We all use money - even you do Sertorio. So in what way can it be a tyranny when how we use it is a matter of choice?

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