Decline of the West, divide of the ‘Eastern West’

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Milo
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Re: Decline of the West, divide of the ‘Eastern West’

Post by Milo » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:49 am

Drivel, mythology thinly disguised as analysis.

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Re: Decline of the West, divide of the ‘Eastern West’

Post by neverfail » Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:10 pm

Milo wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:49 am
Drivel, mythology thinly disguised as analysis.
Thanks Milo. I wanted to "test the water" to see what others think of it.

I am however concerned about the recent falling out of South Korea and Japan (and the failure of the Trump administration to mediate in order to bring the two together). That as I see it weakens the Western sponsored barrier to PRC ambitions on the Pacific basin.

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Re: Decline of the West, divide of the ‘Eastern West’

Post by Jim the Moron » Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:34 pm

neverfail wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:10 pm
Milo wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:49 am
Drivel, mythology thinly disguised as analysis.
Thanks Milo. I wanted to "test the water" to see what others think of it.

I am however concerned about the recent falling out of South Korea and Japan (and the failure of the Trump administration to mediate in order to bring the two together). That as I see it weakens the Western sponsored barrier to PRC ambitions on the Pacific basin.
Whoa. How is it that it's the duty of the Trump administration to mediate quarrels between South Korea and Japan?

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Re: Decline of the West, divide of the ‘Eastern West’

Post by neverfail » Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:32 pm

Jim the Moron wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:34 pm

Whoa. How is it that it's the duty of the Trump administration to mediate quarrels between South Korea and Japan?
For the same reason that it was the responsibility of any previous US president to resolve disputes between allies. Failure to do so means (logically) that the alliance is in peril of disintegrating.

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Re: Decline of the West, divide of the ‘Eastern West’

Post by Jim the Moron » Thu Aug 08, 2019 2:49 am

neverfail wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:32 pm
Jim the Moron wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:34 pm

Whoa. How is it that it's the duty of the Trump administration to mediate quarrels between South Korea and Japan?
For the same reason that it was the responsibility of any previous US president to resolve disputes between allies. Failure to do so means (logically) that the alliance is in peril of disintegrating.
What alliance? It is sufficient that the US maintains its unilateral relations with South Korea and with Japan. Why doesn't Australia "mediate?"

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Re: Decline of the West, divide of the ‘Eastern West’

Post by neverfail » Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:09 am

Jim the Moron wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 2:49 am
neverfail wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:32 pm
Jim the Moron wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:34 pm

Whoa. How is it that it's the duty of the Trump administration to mediate quarrels between South Korea and Japan?
For the same reason that it was the responsibility of any previous US president to resolve disputes between allies. Failure to do so means (logically) that the alliance is in peril of disintegrating.
What alliance? It is sufficient that the US maintains its unilateral relations with South Korea and with Japan. Why doesn't Australia "mediate?"
Because you have military ties with both and we have them with neither.

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Re: Decline of the West, divide of the ‘Eastern West’

Post by Jim the Moron » Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:22 am

neverfail wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:09 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 2:49 am
neverfail wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:32 pm
Jim the Moron wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:34 pm

Whoa. How is it that it's the duty of the Trump administration to mediate quarrels between South Korea and Japan?
For the same reason that it was the responsibility of any previous US president to resolve disputes between allies. Failure to do so means (logically) that the alliance is in peril of disintegrating.
What alliance? It is sufficient that the US maintains its unilateral relations with South Korea and with Japan. Why doesn't Australia "mediate?"
Because you have military ties with both and we have them with neither.
Yes, the US has military ties with both, separately. You want the US should cobble together some sort of NATO-like alliance in that part of the Pacific? No way.

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Re: Decline of the West, divide of the ‘Eastern West’

Post by Alexis » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:34 am

From that link:
Whence Western decline?
...The author's imagination :)

Defined as he defines it, that is
“Western” countries broadly sync democratic governance, market capitalism and rule of law with prosperous lifestyles, civic society and liberal values
the "West" has been steadily extending during the last 30 years, and continues to do so. Thinking especially about South America and Africa.

Jim the Moron wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:34 pm
Whoa. How is it that it's the duty of the Trump administration to mediate quarrels between South Korea and Japan?
Jim, you have to know that public works here in Paris are really becoming a nuisance. Why hasn't President Trump solved that issue already :( ?


Seriously, the US is the most powerful among countries of the West, and will most probably remain in the foreseeable future even if Chinese power becomes greater than American. But I do agree with you this doesn't mean that the US are responsible for organizing in a coherent unity all the diverse countries of the West :)

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Re: Decline of the West, divide of the ‘Eastern West’

Post by Sertorio » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:25 am

Alexis wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:34 am

Seriously, the US is the most powerful among countries of the West, and will most probably remain in the foreseeable future even if Chinese power becomes greater than American. But I do agree with you this doesn't mean that the US are responsible for organizing in a coherent unity all the diverse countries of the West :)
Particularly as the US is not intellectually competent to do so... American politicians lack the brains and the knowledge to do it in a positive manner. They will do it with only one purpose in mind: MAGA... :P

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