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Canada Moves to Ban Christians From Demonstrating in Public

Post by Doc » Sat May 11, 2019 3:35 pm

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/canada-mo ... -proposal/
Canada Moves to Ban Christians From Demonstrating in Public Under New Anti-Hate Proposal

The Canadian province of Ontario is considering legislation that would officially criminalize Christianity.
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Re: Canada Moves to Ban Christians From Demonstrating in Public

Post by neverfail » Sat May 11, 2019 3:56 pm

Doc wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 3:35 pm
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/canada-mo ... -proposal/
Canada Moves to Ban Christians From Demonstrating in Public Under New Anti-Hate Proposal

The Canadian province of Ontario is considering legislation that would officially criminalize Christianity.
Are they going utterly mad with do-gooder official policy posturing in Canada?

They have had one or two shootings of Muslims at prayer outrages in Canada over the past couple of years (not in Ontario, oddly enough) but this appears to be a belated overreaction.

I know that the Canadian establishment has a leaning towards a (not always well advised) militant decency but a law that stigmatizes Christianity with hate whilst absolving Islam of the same label is clearly a partial law whose consequence can be only to persecute Christianity.

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Re: Canada Moves to Ban Christians From Demonstrating in Public

Post by Milo » Sat May 11, 2019 5:53 pm

The story doesnt match the headline, at all.

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Re: Canada Moves to Ban Christians From Demonstrating in Public

Post by Sertorio » Sun May 12, 2019 2:56 am

Milo wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 5:53 pm
The story doesnt match the headline, at all.
From the quoted article:
Legislation proposed in the Canadian province of Ontario would criminalize public displays by Christians deemed hateful to Muslims, the LGBT community and other victim groups designated by the left.
In other words, it is hateful what Muslims, the LGBT community and other victim groups consider hateful. A subjective rather than objective criteria.

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Re: Canada Moves to Ban Christians From Demonstrating in Public

Post by neverfail » Sun May 12, 2019 5:38 am

Milo wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 5:53 pm
The story doesnt match the headline, at all.
You are right. On second read it looks absurd.

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Re: Canada Moves to Ban Christians From Demonstrating in Public

Post by Doc » Sun May 12, 2019 12:21 pm

neverfail wrote:
Sun May 12, 2019 5:38 am
Milo wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 5:53 pm
The story doesnt match the headline, at all.
You are right. On second read it looks absurd.
As in "If you like your religion, you can keep your religion. But you will go bankrupt keeping it"

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/canada-mo ... -proposal/
This concern is based on actual experience. Canadians have already experienced the contempt shown by the Supreme Court of Canada towards Section 2 of the Charter of Rights which provides for freedom of opinion, expression and religion. In the Trinity Western Christian University case (2018), a private Christian university’s moral covenant was deemed hateful and discriminating. In the Bill Whatcott case (2013), the Supreme Court of Canada concluded that the effects of an expression used, not the communicator’s intent, are what is relevant. The court went on to conclude that “truthful statements and sincerely held beliefs do not affect the finding of “hate”. Mr. Whatcott merely expressed in his pamphlet the well-established facts about homosexuality which the court held to be “hateful”. It is worth noting that the Saskatchewan Court of Appeal, presumably consisting of equally learned judges, had previously concluded that the pamphlet was not hateful. The Supreme Court of Canada prides itself on being a “progressive” court and has an established bias as evidenced in a series of decisions that have struck down laws based on traditional values. There is little likelihood that the court will protect tradition-based groups if they are denied the right to demonstrate at the provincial legislature.
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Re: Canada Moves to Ban Christians From Demonstrating in Public

Post by Milo » Sun May 12, 2019 2:37 pm

Doc wrote:
Sun May 12, 2019 12:21 pm
neverfail wrote:
Sun May 12, 2019 5:38 am
Milo wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 5:53 pm
The story doesnt match the headline, at all.
You are right. On second read it looks absurd.
As in "If you like your religion, you can keep your religion. But you will go bankrupt keeping it"

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/canada-mo ... -proposal/
This concern is based on actual experience. Canadians have already experienced the contempt shown by the Supreme Court of Canada towards Section 2 of the Charter of Rights which provides for freedom of opinion, expression and religion. In the Trinity Western Christian University case (2018), a private Christian university’s moral covenant was deemed hateful and discriminating. In the Bill Whatcott case (2013), the Supreme Court of Canada concluded that the effects of an expression used, not the communicator’s intent, are what is relevant. The court went on to conclude that “truthful statements and sincerely held beliefs do not affect the finding of “hate”. Mr. Whatcott merely expressed in his pamphlet the well-established facts about homosexuality which the court held to be “hateful”. It is worth noting that the Saskatchewan Court of Appeal, presumably consisting of equally learned judges, had previously concluded that the pamphlet was not hateful. The Supreme Court of Canada prides itself on being a “progressive” court and has an established bias as evidenced in a series of decisions that have struck down laws based on traditional values. There is little likelihood that the court will protect tradition-based groups if they are denied the right to demonstrate at the provincial legislature.
Sure, you can take "Lifesite" as a balanced news source if you want.

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Re: Canada Moves to Ban Christians From Demonstrating in Public

Post by Doc » Sun May 12, 2019 2:48 pm

Milo wrote:
Sun May 12, 2019 2:37 pm
Doc wrote:
Sun May 12, 2019 12:21 pm
neverfail wrote:
Sun May 12, 2019 5:38 am
Milo wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 5:53 pm
The story doesnt match the headline, at all.
You are right. On second read it looks absurd.
As in "If you like your religion, you can keep your religion. But you will go bankrupt keeping it"

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/canada-mo ... -proposal/
This concern is based on actual experience. Canadians have already experienced the contempt shown by the Supreme Court of Canada towards Section 2 of the Charter of Rights which provides for freedom of opinion, expression and religion. In the Trinity Western Christian University case (2018), a private Christian university’s moral covenant was deemed hateful and discriminating. In the Bill Whatcott case (2013), the Supreme Court of Canada concluded that the effects of an expression used, not the communicator’s intent, are what is relevant. The court went on to conclude that “truthful statements and sincerely held beliefs do not affect the finding of “hate”. Mr. Whatcott merely expressed in his pamphlet the well-established facts about homosexuality which the court held to be “hateful”. It is worth noting that the Saskatchewan Court of Appeal, presumably consisting of equally learned judges, had previously concluded that the pamphlet was not hateful. The Supreme Court of Canada prides itself on being a “progressive” court and has an established bias as evidenced in a series of decisions that have struck down laws based on traditional values. There is little likelihood that the court will protect tradition-based groups if they are denied the right to demonstrate at the provincial legislature.
Sure, you can take "Lifesite" as a balanced news source if you want.
This is from Bigleague politics an unapologetic conservative site. Are you saying that because it is conservative that it should not be posted here?
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Re: Canada Moves to Ban Christians From Demonstrating in Public

Post by neverfail » Sun May 12, 2019 4:22 pm

Doc wrote:
Sun May 12, 2019 2:48 pm
This is from Bigleague politics an unapologetic conservative site. Are you saying that because it is conservative that it should not be posted here?
By "conservative" do you mean endowed with greater integrity to their opposite number in the promotion of their product? An immunity from telling lies?

I have seen this word "conservative" used by regulars on this website and have often wondered whether you advocates associate a certain moral ascendancy in being 'conservative'.

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Re: Canada Moves to Ban Christians From Demonstrating in Public

Post by Milo » Sun May 12, 2019 5:41 pm

Doc wrote:
Sun May 12, 2019 2:48 pm
Milo wrote:
Sun May 12, 2019 2:37 pm
Doc wrote:
Sun May 12, 2019 12:21 pm
neverfail wrote:
Sun May 12, 2019 5:38 am
Milo wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 5:53 pm
The story doesnt match the headline, at all.
You are right. On second read it looks absurd.
As in "If you like your religion, you can keep your religion. But you will go bankrupt keeping it"

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/canada-mo ... -proposal/
This concern is based on actual experience. Canadians have already experienced the contempt shown by the Supreme Court of Canada towards Section 2 of the Charter of Rights which provides for freedom of opinion, expression and religion. In the Trinity Western Christian University case (2018), a private Christian university’s moral covenant was deemed hateful and discriminating. In the Bill Whatcott case (2013), the Supreme Court of Canada concluded that the effects of an expression used, not the communicator’s intent, are what is relevant. The court went on to conclude that “truthful statements and sincerely held beliefs do not affect the finding of “hate”. Mr. Whatcott merely expressed in his pamphlet the well-established facts about homosexuality which the court held to be “hateful”. It is worth noting that the Saskatchewan Court of Appeal, presumably consisting of equally learned judges, had previously concluded that the pamphlet was not hateful. The Supreme Court of Canada prides itself on being a “progressive” court and has an established bias as evidenced in a series of decisions that have struck down laws based on traditional values. There is little likelihood that the court will protect tradition-based groups if they are denied the right to demonstrate at the provincial legislature.
Sure, you can take "Lifesite" as a balanced news source if you want.
This is from Bigleague politics an unapologetic conservative site. Are you saying that because it is conservative that it should not be posted here?
Life Site News explains that the nebulous nature of Canada’s anti-hate laws essentially give leftist legislators carte blanche to ban all Christian protest:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/on ... ch-as-hate

The story is from an anti abortion nutjob site.

Post whatever you want but if you can't follow the thread I may do it for you.

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