Pope Francis and the Economy

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Re: Pope Francis and the Economy

Post by cassowary » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:04 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:18 am
Cassowary is always talking about the evils of socialism and the marvels of capitalism. Maybe he will like to read what Pope Francis - a Christian - has to say about it. I picked an extract from the Apostolic Exhortation Evangelii Gaudium, which summarizes what the Pope - and the Church - thinks about this question:
The Pope is a Marxist.
The Imp :D

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Re: Pope Francis and the Economy

Post by neverfail » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:59 am

cassowary wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:04 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:18 am
Cassowary is always talking about the evils of socialism and the marvels of capitalism. Maybe he will like to read what Pope Francis - a Christian - has to say about it. I picked an extract from the Apostolic Exhortation Evangelii Gaudium, which summarizes what the Pope - and the Church - thinks about this question:
The Pope is a Marxist.
Oh sure! He is demanding that active homosexual members of our clergy honour their vows of celibacy by abstinence from sexual activity or else resign from the clergy. I suppose that makes Pope Francis a Marxist, does it?

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Re: Pope Francis and the Economy

Post by Milo » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:37 am

neverfail wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:59 am
cassowary wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:04 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:18 am
Cassowary is always talking about the evils of socialism and the marvels of capitalism. Maybe he will like to read what Pope Francis - a Christian - has to say about it. I picked an extract from the Apostolic Exhortation Evangelii Gaudium, which summarizes what the Pope - and the Church - thinks about this question:
The Pope is a Marxist.
Oh sure! He is demanding that active homosexual members of our clergy honour their vows of celibacy by abstinence from sexual activity or else resign from the clergy. I suppose that makes Pope Francis a Marxist, does it?
The RCC is desperately short of clergy as it is though.
From 1980 to 2012, the ratio of Catholics per priest increased globally, with the number of Catholics per priest going from 1,895 to 3,126."[1]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest_ ... lic_Church

Nuns and monks even more so.
As Roman Catholic nuns approach the next century, a new nationwide survey confirms fears long voiced throughout the church: Nuns appear to be dying out as an institution.

In a survey of 1,049 sisters in the United States and Puerto Rico, The Times found that only 3% were 40 or younger; 37% were older than 70 and 12% were more than 80. The median age for nuns in the survey was 65.
https://www.latimes.com/local/la-940221 ... story.html

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Re: Pope Francis and the Economy

Post by Sertorio » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:38 am

cassowary wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:04 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:18 am
Cassowary is always talking about the evils of socialism and the marvels of capitalism. Maybe he will like to read what Pope Francis - a Christian - has to say about it. I picked an extract from the Apostolic Exhortation Evangelii Gaudium, which summarizes what the Pope - and the Church - thinks about this question:
The Pope is a Marxist.
The Pope doesn't need Marx. He has Jesus who is a pretty radical communist... :D

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Re: Pope Francis and the Economy

Post by neverfail » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:38 pm

Milo wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:37 am
neverfail wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:59 am
cassowary wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:04 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:18 am
Cassowary is always talking about the evils of socialism and the marvels of capitalism. Maybe he will like to read what Pope Francis - a Christian - has to say about it. I picked an extract from the Apostolic Exhortation Evangelii Gaudium, which summarizes what the Pope - and the Church - thinks about this question:
The Pope is a Marxist.
Oh sure! He is demanding that active homosexual members of our clergy honour their vows of celibacy by abstinence from sexual activity or else resign from the clergy. I suppose that makes Pope Francis a Marxist, does it?
The RCC is desperately short of clergy as it is though.
From 1980 to 2012, the ratio of Catholics per priest increased globally, with the number of Catholics per priest going from 1,895 to 3,126."[1]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest_ ... lic_Church
l
Hi Milo,

I am pleasantly surprised to learn that the most recently reported ratio of priests per laity is so modest @ 1:3126. I had previously believed that the pro-rata was closer to 1:50,000. It still means that priests and other members of the Catholic clergy are getting thinner on the ground.

However, I humbly submit that it is still no excuse for retaining the services of members of our clergy who only serve to bring the Church into disrepute. It seems that the Pope agrees with me on that count:
https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/ ... 50ybf.html

Pope Francis has expelled Theodore E. McCarrick, a former cardinal and archbishop of Washington, from the priesthood, after an expedited canonical process that found him guilty of sexually abusing minors and adult seminarians over decades, the Vatican said on Saturday.
It seems that this pontiff means business when it comes to ridding the Church of priests guilty of crimes of sexual abuse.

I am not so much concerned about the impact that the now decades long melodrama of pedaphile priests has had on the opinion of non-Catholics worldwide - though I suppose that even that counts for something. What I am concerned about is the harm it has done to and is still doing to the morale, trust and confidence of the Catholic laity.

It is quality that counts Milo, not quantity.

One saint can achieve a lot more good than 10,000 mortal sinners.

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Re: Pope Francis and the Economy

Post by Milo » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:34 pm

neverfail wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:38 pm
Milo wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:37 am
neverfail wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:59 am
cassowary wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:04 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:18 am
Cassowary is always talking about the evils of socialism and the marvels of capitalism. Maybe he will like to read what Pope Francis - a Christian - has to say about it. I picked an extract from the Apostolic Exhortation Evangelii Gaudium, which summarizes what the Pope - and the Church - thinks about this question:
The Pope is a Marxist.
Oh sure! He is demanding that active homosexual members of our clergy honour their vows of celibacy by abstinence from sexual activity or else resign from the clergy. I suppose that makes Pope Francis a Marxist, does it?
The RCC is desperately short of clergy as it is though.
From 1980 to 2012, the ratio of Catholics per priest increased globally, with the number of Catholics per priest going from 1,895 to 3,126."[1]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest_ ... lic_Church
l
Hi Milo,

I am pleasantly surprised to learn that the most recently reported ratio of priests per laity is so modest @ 1:3126. I had previously believed that the pro-rata was closer to 1:50,000. It still means that priests and other members of the Catholic clergy are getting thinner on the ground.

However, I humbly submit that it is still no excuse for retaining the services of members of our clergy who only serve to bring the Church into disrepute. It seems that the Pope agrees with me on that count:
https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/ ... 50ybf.html

Pope Francis has expelled Theodore E. McCarrick, a former cardinal and archbishop of Washington, from the priesthood, after an expedited canonical process that found him guilty of sexually abusing minors and adult seminarians over decades, the Vatican said on Saturday.
It seems that this pontiff means business when it comes to ridding the Church of priests guilty of crimes of sexual abuse.

I am not so much concerned about the impact that the now decades long melodrama of pedaphile priests has had on the opinion of non-Catholics worldwide - though I suppose that even that counts for something. What I am concerned about is the harm it has done to and is still doing to the morale, trust and confidence of the Catholic laity.

It is quality that counts Milo, not quantity.

One saint can achieve a lot more good than 10,000 mortal sinners.
Anglicans have celibate orders too but it is a choice.

And Rabbis must be married.

I don't see the connection between celibacy and Sainthood.

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Re: Pope Francis and the Economy

Post by armchair_pundit » Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:06 pm

Milo wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:34 pm

Anglicans have celibate orders too but it is a choice.

And Rabbis must be married.

I don't see the connection between celibacy and Sainthood.
Anyone here actually believe that God gives a sh*t about what kind of sex his monkeys are having and with which monkey?

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Re: Pope Francis and the Economy

Post by Sertorio » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:37 am

Milo wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:34 pm

I don't see the connection between celibacy and Sainthood.
On the contrary. Sainthood is a lot more likely if you have to put up with a spouse...

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Re: Pope Francis and the Economy

Post by neverfail » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:44 am

Milo wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:34 pm

I don't see the connection between celibacy and Sainthood.
No direct connection I am aware of either Milo. I did not mean to lend the impression that there is.

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Re: Pope Francis and the Economy

Post by neverfail » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:46 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:37 am

On the contrary. Sainthood is a lot more likely if you have to put up with a spouse...
:lol: Not sainthood, Sertorio. More like something closer to martyrdom (though the women make the same complaint about us).

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