Russia's GRU intelligence agency blows it again.

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Re: Russia's GRU intelligence agency blows it again.

Post by Milo » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:54 pm

Dictatorships always get the short term jump on democracies but in the long run freedom always produces more professional competence.

And Putin isn't getting any younger!

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Post by cassowary » Fri Oct 05, 2018 12:40 am

Tell it to Sertorio - the Putin lover.

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Re: Russia's GRU intelligence agency blows it again.

Post by Sertorio » Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:18 am

Milo wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:54 pm
Dictatorships always get the short term jump on democracies but in the long run freedom always produces more professional competence.

And Putin isn't getting any younger!
Putin is more democratic than Trump. But that, of course, doesn't mean much...

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Re: Russia's GRU intelligence agency blows it again.

Post by Sertorio » Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:30 am

Let's suppose that the GRU is in fact practicing cyberwarfare. What's wrong with it? Intelligence services all over the world have, as their main task, acquiring intelligence on potential adversaries, and helping to weaken those same potential adversaries. The CIA does it. MI6 does it. And the GRU does it. The targets of attacks by all those intelligence services have a duty to forestall those attacks and defend their respective countries. But trying to act like offended virgins is, at least, ridiculous. Western outrage is laughable, and more than a bit pathetic. Those who rejoiced when Israel's intelligence service succeeded, through cyberwarfare measures, in sabotaging Iran's centrifuges, are now in state of shock because Russia and China are stealing Western secrets by hacking. Well, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen...

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Post by Jim the Moron » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:04 am

Sertorio wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:30 am
Let's suppose that the GRU is in fact practicing cyberwarfare. What's wrong with it? Intelligence services all over the world have, as their main task, acquiring intelligence on potential adversaries, and helping to weaken those same potential adversaries. The CIA does it. MI6 does it. And the GRU does it. The targets of attacks by all those intelligence services have a duty to forestall those attacks and defend their respective countries. But trying to act like offended virgins is, at least, ridiculous. Western outrage is laughable, and more than a bit pathetic. Those who rejoiced when Israel's intelligence service succeeded, through cyberwarfare measures, in sabotaging Iran's centrifuges, are now in state of shock because Russia and China are stealing Western secrets by hacking. Well, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen...
Sertorio speaks the truth, as did Harry Truman. Think Stuxnet. The birds and the bees do it.

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Re: Russia's GRU intelligence agency blows it again.

Post by Milo » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:57 am

Jim the Moron wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:04 am
Sertorio wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:30 am
Let's suppose that the GRU is in fact practicing cyberwarfare. What's wrong with it? Intelligence services all over the world have, as their main task, acquiring intelligence on potential adversaries, and helping to weaken those same potential adversaries. The CIA does it. MI6 does it. And the GRU does it. The targets of attacks by all those intelligence services have a duty to forestall those attacks and defend their respective countries. But trying to act like offended virgins is, at least, ridiculous. Western outrage is laughable, and more than a bit pathetic. Those who rejoiced when Israel's intelligence service succeeded, through cyberwarfare measures, in sabotaging Iran's centrifuges, are now in state of shock because Russia and China are stealing Western secrets by hacking. Well, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen...
Sertorio speaks the truth, as did Harry Truman. Think Stuxnet. The birds and the bees do it.
As with most things, it's not what you do but how you do it. Russia's paranoid, ham fisted approach is just plain uncouth.

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Re: Russia's GRU intelligence agency blows it again.

Post by cassowary » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:06 am

Sertorio wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:30 am
Let's suppose that the GRU is in fact practicing cyberwarfare. What's wrong with it? Intelligence services all over the world have, as their main task, acquiring intelligence on potential adversaries, and helping to weaken those same potential adversaries. The CIA does it. MI6 does it. And the GRU does it. The targets of attacks by all those intelligence services have a duty to forestall those attacks and defend their respective countries. But trying to act like offended virgins is, at least, ridiculous. Western outrage is laughable, and more than a bit pathetic. Those who rejoiced when Israel's intelligence service succeeded, through cyberwarfare measures, in sabotaging Iran's centrifuges, are now in state of shock because Russia and China are stealing Western secrets by hacking. Well, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen...
You miss the point. The original article Neverfail posted was not complaining how bad Russia was to have attempted hacking. It was rather ridiculing the incompetence of Russia's spooks.

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Re: Russia's GRU intelligence agency blows it again.

Post by Jim the Moron » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:45 am

Milo wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:57 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:04 am
Sertorio wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:30 am
Let's suppose that the GRU is in fact practicing cyberwarfare. What's wrong with it? Intelligence services all over the world have, as their main task, acquiring intelligence on potential adversaries, and helping to weaken those same potential adversaries. The CIA does it. MI6 does it. And the GRU does it. The targets of attacks by all those intelligence services have a duty to forestall those attacks and defend their respective countries. But trying to act like offended virgins is, at least, ridiculous. Western outrage is laughable, and more than a bit pathetic. Those who rejoiced when Israel's intelligence service succeeded, through cyberwarfare measures, in sabotaging Iran's centrifuges, are now in state of shock because Russia and China are stealing Western secrets by hacking. Well, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen...
Sertorio speaks the truth, as did Harry Truman. Think Stuxnet. The birds and the bees do it.
As with most things, it's not what you do but how you do it. Russia's paranoid, ham fisted approach is just plain uncouth.
Couthness is relative.

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Re: Russia's GRU intelligence agency blows it again.

Post by Sertorio » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:21 am

cassowary wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:06 am
Sertorio wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:30 am
Let's suppose that the GRU is in fact practicing cyberwarfare. What's wrong with it? Intelligence services all over the world have, as their main task, acquiring intelligence on potential adversaries, and helping to weaken those same potential adversaries. The CIA does it. MI6 does it. And the GRU does it. The targets of attacks by all those intelligence services have a duty to forestall those attacks and defend their respective countries. But trying to act like offended virgins is, at least, ridiculous. Western outrage is laughable, and more than a bit pathetic. Those who rejoiced when Israel's intelligence service succeeded, through cyberwarfare measures, in sabotaging Iran's centrifuges, are now in state of shock because Russia and China are stealing Western secrets by hacking. Well, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen...
You miss the point. The original article Neverfail posted was not complaining how bad Russia was to have attempted hacking. It was rather ridiculing the incompetence of Russia's spooks.
How do you know Russia's spooks are incompetent? How many cases will there be of Russian hacking which have never been found out? The rate of success may be enormous, and you will never find out.

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