The November 2018 Congressional election mega thread

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Re: The November 2018 Congressional election mega thread

Post by Milo » Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:25 pm

I think we will see a lot of surprises in these midterms. Polls seem to be getting more uncertain and it is unclear how many republicans will vote for republican candidates, as some running will be Trump supported and some not. And of course Trump will shoot off his face and create great uncertainty, as usual

It seems certain that many more women will be in power though.

More women candidates than ever will contest US governorships and House seats in November's mid-term elections.
After Tuesday's primaries across four states, there are now 11 female nominees for governor and at least 185 for the House of Representatives.



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Re: The November 2018 Congressional election mega thread

Post by Milo » Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:52 pm

And one other thing is certain, their will be hacking.

"These are the websites that are very important because they report the election results to the public,” explained Nico Sell, the founder of R00tz Asylum.
“They also tell the public where to go to vote. You could imagine if either of these two things were changed, the chaos that would ensue.”
Hacking the real websites would be illegal. So instead, Ms Sell’s team created 13 sites that mimicked the real websites, gaping vulnerabilities and all, for 13 so-called “battleground" states - parts of the country where the vote is expected to be tight.
Over the course of a day, 39 kids aged between 8 and 17 took the challenge - 35 of them succeeded in bypassing the trivial security. Pranks ensued. At one time the site told us 12 billion votes had been cast. Later, we were told that candidate “Bob Da Builder” was the victor.


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Re: The November 2018 Congressional election mega thread

Post by cassowary » Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:57 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:11 pm
neverfail wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:45 pm
cassowary wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:32 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:24 am
cassowary wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:57 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:46 am


As an interested outsider I think the coming election would only be relevant if there was a third party willing to end America's obsession with being the world's policeman. As it is, whether Democrat or Republican, the US will keep threatening the world, starting new wars, bullying any country which refuses to be an American vassal. That's why I think that the only thing Europeans can do is turning their backs on the US and try to build a more peaceful and tolerant world.
Are you crazy? We want America to be the world policeman so that we don't become a vassal of China. Ditto from Japan and Taiwan. Europe wants America to protect them from Russia (except for Socialists like you - a distinct minority). S Korea wants America to protect them from N Korea.
Tell me when you wake up from your opium induced fantasy... :D
Possession of opium gets you the death penalty. No thank you. I value my life.
He is right Sertorio. In both Singapore and Malaysia being caught with hard narcotic drugs literally brings on an early death via execution.
Their worst drug is their twisted capitalist ideology...
But Sertorio,

Capitalism made us the third richest country in the world, according to the IMF.

Next year, we will be celebrating the 200th anniversary of the Founding of Singapore by Sir Stamford Raffles. To me, we are celebrating because Raffles brought capitalism to Singapore.

At that time, Adam Smith's ideas were circulating in Britain. Raffles applied those ideas in Singapore before Britain did and Singapore continued to do so long after the British abandoned them. In short, Raffles brought capitalism to Singapore.

As a result, Singapore prospered and that is why Raffles is respected as Singapore's Founder. I can't think of an ex-British colony that still honors a British founder. It is like Cecil Rhodes being honored in Zimbabwe.

Excerpts from link:
Such is a brief outline of the career of Stamford Raffles. What it does not mention is perhaps his greatest quality—his complete and reasoned faith in the system of free enterprise.
We obtain some conception of the ideals which burned in the soul of Stamford Raffles from an inter­change of letters with merchants of the island when Raffles was leaving Singapore in 1823. ... "It has happily been consistent with the policy of Great Britain, and accordant with the principles of the East India Company, that Singapore should be established as a free port; that no sinister, no sordid view, no considerations either of political importance or pecuniary advantage, should inter­fere with the broad and liberal principles on which the British in­terests have been established.

"Monopoly and exclusive privi­leges, against which public opinion has long raised its voice, are here unknown, and while the free port of Singapore is allowed to continue and prosper, as it hitherto has done, the policy and liberality of the East India Company, by which the Settlement was founded, and under which protection and control it is still administered, can never be disputed.
It must be remembered that, when this letter was written, the mercantilist system with its pro­tective customs barriers existed in every country of the world, includ­ing Great Britain. Adam Smith was not long dead, and the Repeal of the Corn Laws was still an event of the future. If Adam Smith was the first to advocate free enterprise, Stamford Raffles was the first administrator to put the system into practice.
Singapore taught the British a valuable lesson - that free enterprise brings prosperity:
It must be remembered that, when this letter was written, the mercantilist system with its pro­tective customs barriers existed in every country of the world, includ­ing Great Britain. Adam Smith was not long dead, and the Repeal of the Corn Laws was still an event of the future. If Adam Smith was the first to advocate free enterprise, Stamford Raffles was the first administrator to put the system into practice.

But, fortunately, times were changing. Twenty-three years after that letter was written, Great Britain followed the example of Singapore in adopting, as her de­clared economic policy, the system of free trade and free enterprise. In 1850, Singapore came under the more direct control of the Gover­nor-General of India, who visited the island in person. This particu­lar proconsul happened, very for­tunately, to be a Scottish peer strongly imbued with the prin­ciples of his countryman, Adam Smith. He had once served on the Board of Trade under Gladstone and was one of those responsible for the Repeal of the Corn Laws.

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Re: The November 2018 Congressional election mega thread

Post by Sertorio » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:35 am

Cass,

I am all in favour of free entreprise. And I am all in favour of the state correcting the distortions brought about by the same free entreprise. The state has as its objective to promote the common good, which means guaranteeing that every person in the community has the means to live with dignity. Of course, the first responsible for that are the members of the community themselves, but when circumstances do not permit it, then the state has an obligation to intervene to correct those situations. And what circumstances are those? Illness or any deficiency; intellectual limitations; market distortions due to willful actions by any economic agent; abuse of economic power; excessive accumulation of wealth; interference by outside forces. If economic agents are not willing to voluntarily avoiding such distortions, then the state must intervene, using as much power as necessary to keep those agents in line. If solidarity does not come naturally to some people, then they must be forced to behave like responsible members of the community.

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Re: The November 2018 Congressional election mega thread

Post by cassowary » Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:57 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:35 am
Cass,

I am all in favour of free entreprise. And I am all in favour of the state correcting the distortions brought about by the same free entreprise. The state has as its objective to promote the common good, which means guaranteeing that every person in the community has the means to live with dignity. Of course, the first responsible for that are the members of the community themselves, but when circumstances do not permit it, then the state has an obligation to intervene to correct those situations. And what circumstances are those? Illness or any deficiency; intellectual limitations; market distortions due to willful actions by any economic agent; abuse of economic power; excessive accumulation of wealth; interference by outside forces. If economic agents are not willing to voluntarily avoiding such distortions, then the state must intervene, using as much power as necessary to keep those agents in line. If solidarity does not come naturally to some people, then they must be forced to behave like responsible members of the community.
That does not sound like free enterprise. It sounds like Socialism.

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Re: The November 2018 Congressional election mega thread

Post by Sertorio » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:08 am

cassowary wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:57 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:35 am
Cass,

I am all in favour of free entreprise. And I am all in favour of the state correcting the distortions brought about by the same free entreprise. The state has as its objective to promote the common good, which means guaranteeing that every person in the community has the means to live with dignity. Of course, the first responsible for that are the members of the community themselves, but when circumstances do not permit it, then the state has an obligation to intervene to correct those situations. And what circumstances are those? Illness or any deficiency; intellectual limitations; market distortions due to willful actions by any economic agent; abuse of economic power; excessive accumulation of wealth; interference by outside forces. If economic agents are not willing to voluntarily avoiding such distortions, then the state must intervene, using as much power as necessary to keep those agents in line. If solidarity does not come naturally to some people, then they must be forced to behave like responsible members of the community.
That does not sound like free enterprise. It sounds like Socialism.
And your idea of free entreprise sounds like Anarchism...

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Re: The November 2018 Congressional election mega thread

Post by neverfail » Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:12 am

Cassowary: what I find Ironic about Stamford Raffles founding Singapore as a free trade port is that his employer, the East India Company, did not believe in free trade. This ruthless corporation treated India like a gigantic milch cow to be milked dry for the benefit of its corporate bottom line.

As for allowing other players into India to give THEM competition or even giving native enterprise a fair go; perish the thought!

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Re: The November 2018 Congressional election mega thread

Post by cassowary » Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:42 am

neverfail wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:12 am
Cassowary: what I find Ironic about Stamford Raffles founding Singapore as a free trade port is that his employer, the East India Company, did not believe in free trade. This ruthless corporation treated India like a gigantic milch cow to be milked dry for the benefit of its corporate bottom line.

As for allowing other players into India to give THEM competition or even giving native enterprise a fair go; perish the thought!
As the article I linked to said, mercantilism was the order of the day. Raffles was a visionary who believed in Adam Smith's free enterprise. He put into practice what Smith preached. The success of Singapore convinced the British to repeal the Corn Laws and free enterprise became their guiding ideology. One of the prime proponents for the repeal was a governor-general of India who visited Singapore.

So in a sense, Singapore taught the British the importance of free enterprise.

By the way, according to Mrs Constance Turnbull, author of a "History of Singapore", the Chinese benefitted more from Singapore under British rule than did the East India Company. Her book said that the homes and offices of the Chinese merchants along the Singapore river were opulent while the offices of the East India Company were dilapidated. I am sure you know that the East India Company eventually went broke, unable to compete in alien cultures.

During his charge, Raffles himself did not make money and this nearly cost him his pension. He was so intent on doing good for the colony and engrossed in learning the local cultures that he neglected doing business. If ever there was a benign British colony, where the people were happy with British rule, it was Singapore. Of course, the people were mainly Chinese who were capable of taking advantage of British rule of law, modern education, and commercial links.

Raffles was also governor of Java and the Indonesians do not like him and do not honor him in their history books. Same person but different outcomes. Why? I suspect being Muslim is the main reason. Their attitudes were different and thus reacted in a different way that did not benefit them.

In the same way, America occupied Japan after WWII and the Japanese were able to prosper and readjust their attitudes from a militant society to a commercial dmocratic one. Iraq could not and we all know what happened.

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Re: Good news for the good guys

Post by Mr. Perfect » Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:10 pm

cassowary wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:21 pm
Generic Congressional Vote is tightening. The Blue Wave is shrinking. The RCP average is now only 3.9%, down from earlier.
Democrats have a 50/50 chance at best of winning the House with that number.

This would mean 10% or less chance of winning the Senate

1-3% chance of winning majority of governorships or state legislatures.

What's funny is if the Democrats win the House back, they will claim they have the will of the people on their side, even though they didn't acknowledge the opposite when the GOP won in 2010, and they will only have on of the 6 segments of government. So the GOP will still control 5 out of the 6.

However, if we do lose the House it will cripple the freedom agenda in America.

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Re: The November 2018 Congressional election mega thread

Post by Mr. Perfect » Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:13 pm

Milo wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:25 pm
I think we will see a lot of surprises in these midterms. Polls seem to be getting more uncertain and it is unclear how many republicans will vote for republican candidates,
Keep in mind the polls have been demonstrably and significantly wrong since at least 2014. The GOP and Right wing initiatives won every time over polls indicating otherwise.
I'm not sure why people go to foreign countries to learn about US politics.

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