Thank you New Zealand

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Sertorio
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Re: Thank you New Zealand

Post by Sertorio » Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:29 pm

Mr. Perfect wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:42 am
Yeah, they pretty much say party and have a good time, but that didn't work out too well for Anthony Bourdain et al. Most of us find all that stuff lacking.
Do you really think that seculars only care about partying and having a good time?.. Maybe you should try and talk in earnest with a secular person...

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Re: Thank you New Zealand

Post by Mr. Perfect » Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:50 pm

I have, thats what they often tell me face to face.

They say, have good time, make friends, go on vacation.

Then when Anthony Bourdain commits suicide they have no other answer.

That I've seen.

However, if you are indeed secular I would be interested in your answer to the purpose and meaning of life as an intellectual exercise.

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Re: Thank you New Zealand

Post by Sertorio » Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:03 pm

Mr. Perfect wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:50 pm
I have, thats what they often tell me face to face.

They say, have good time, make friends, go on vacation.

Then when Anthony Bourdain commits suicide they have no other answer.

That I've seen.

However, if you are indeed secular I would be interested in your answer to the purpose and meaning of life as an intellectual exercise.
There are a couple of things I think I can rely upon:

1. The universe exists and is evolving;
2. There is a time sequence which I believe is true anywhere in the universe: first there is a material world but no life; then life appears; eventually life generates consciousness.
3. Consciousness begins by being individual.
4. Consciousness may evolve from individual to group consciousness.
5. Planets may develop a collective consciousness including all living beings.
6. Eventually the whole universe may become conscious. What that means I don't know, but I expect every sentient being to have its place in that universal consciousness.

My individual role in all that is to accept my small part in that process, not worrying whether my individual consciousness will prevail in the whole or not.

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Re: Thank you New Zealand

Post by cassowary » Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:18 pm

uche africanus wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:55 am
Cass,
He may not have intended to insult you but he did exactly that. Your friend, evidently, admired some qualities that you have but those qualities are not peculiar to New Zealanders. They are also present in you, a Singaporean. Your friend could have said l admire the qualities you have because they are similar to the ones l have or the ones l value or something along those lines.

I do not mean to quibble but by telling you that you are almost like a Kiwi, he communicated to you that he valued his nationality or culture above your Hokkien or Teochi one.
Uche,

I must tell you the context. He was introducing me to a group of Kiwi shareholders attending the convention. I think that by saying I am almost a Kiwi, he was trying to get me acceptance by the group. He was just trying to make me feel at home.

It never occurred to me that he was implying that Kiwis are better than Singaporeans. Most people know that we are a successful nation.
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Re: Thank you New Zealand

Post by cassowary » Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:21 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:55 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:38 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:46 am
neverfail wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:25 am
cassowary wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:06 pm
Anyway, I like Kiwis. They are nice people.
I suppose they are - as long as you are not Australian. Then they chuck all of their verbal shit at you. :twisted:
Ours is a lovely species... We cannot live without enemies... And if we don't have them, we invent some... And then we bash them as hard as we can, under the excuse that they are a threat to us...

My theory is that this happens because our species is still a very young and imperfect one. Four hundred thousand years is next to nothing and we haven't yet started to polish our original imperfections. I guess that 600,000 years from now we will be a more pleasant species, if we haven't destroyed ourselves in the meantime...
Exactly. Hopefully, "we will be a more pleasant species." And how might we achieve that?

Most importantly:
1. Eliminate hunger everywhere.
2. Eliminate religious influences on governance.

and ??
Maybe:
3. Eliminate religious influences on people...

As long as we stick to sado-masochist deities who give us all the excuse we need to mistreat our fellow human beings, we will not get very far...
In the past 100 years the greatest mistreater of human beings was Socialism. Nearly 100 million dead. Socialism is a religion albeit a godless one. It relies on faith because all evidence points to its failure.

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Re: Thank you New Zealand

Post by Mr. Perfect » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:26 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:03 pm
There are a couple of things I think I can rely upon:

1. The universe exists and is evolving;
2. There is a time sequence which I believe is true anywhere in the universe: first there is a material world but no life; then life appears; eventually life generates consciousness.
3. Consciousness begins by being individual.
4. Consciousness may evolve from individual to group consciousness.
5. Planets may develop a collective consciousness including all living beings.
6. Eventually the whole universe may become conscious. What that means I don't know, but I expect every sentient being to have its place in that universal consciousness.

My individual role in all that is to accept my small part in that process, not worrying whether my individual consciousness will prevail in the whole or not.
Interesting. It seems very religious to me. Requires a lot of faith.

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Re: Thank you New Zealand

Post by Sertorio » Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:57 am

Mr. Perfect wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:26 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:03 pm
There are a couple of things I think I can rely upon:

1. The universe exists and is evolving;
2. There is a time sequence which I believe is true anywhere in the universe: first there is a material world but no life; then life appears; eventually life generates consciousness.
3. Consciousness begins by being individual.
4. Consciousness may evolve from individual to group consciousness.
5. Planets may develop a collective consciousness including all living beings.
6. Eventually the whole universe may become conscious. What that means I don't know, but I expect every sentient being to have its place in that universal consciousness.

My individual role in all that is to accept my small part in that process, not worrying whether my individual consciousness will prevail in the whole or not.
Interesting. It seems very religious to me. Requires a lot of faith.
Not religious, but maybe metaphysical. Not faith, reasoned speculation.

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Re: Thank you New Zealand

Post by neverfail » Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:35 am

cassowary wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:18 pm

I must tell you the context. He was introducing me to a group of Kiwi shareholders attending the convention. I think that by saying I am almost a Kiwi, he was trying to get me acceptance by the group. He was just trying to make me feel at home.

It never occurred to me that he was implying that Kiwis are better than Singaporeans. Most people know that we are a successful nation.
The New Zealanders may not have yet quite got the message. They have something of a history of being behind the times.

Even so, you are apparently still unacquainted with the ferocious national pride of the Kiwis. My own long experience with them is that regardless of how successful a foreign country becomes or appears to be (over there even we Australians are foreigners) they will always look for and find some pretext for feeling inherently superior.

Well, what could you expect from a people with such a high pro-rata percentage of Presbyterian Scots immigrant-settler ancestry?
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Re: Thank you New Zealand

Post by neverfail » Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:39 am

uche africanus wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:55 am

I do not mean to quibble but by telling you that you are almost like a Kiwi, he communicated to you that he valued his nationality or culture above your Hokkien or Teochi one.
That might even be true despite cassowary's denial. He does not seem to know his Kiwi hosts as well as he believes he does.

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Re: Thank you New Zealand

Post by cassowary » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:55 pm

neverfail wrote:
Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:39 am
uche africanus wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:55 am

I do not mean to quibble but by telling you that you are almost like a Kiwi, he communicated to you that he valued his nationality or culture above your Hokkien or Teochi one.
That might even be true despite cassowary's denial. He does not seem to know his Kiwi hosts as well as he believes he does.
The Kiwis I met have always treated me with kindness and respect. Everybody is proud of their nationality and the Kiwis are no different.

On a different matter, there are different dialect groups - Hokkien, Cantonese, Teochew, Hainanese, Hakka etc. Interesting that we call them "dialect groups". In Africa, they would be called "tribes" and in Scotland, they would be called "clans". Basically, they are groups bound by blood and language with the exception of the clans who are only bound by blood. I guess they more or less mean the same thing.

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