Neverfail's North American ruminations.

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Re: Neverfail's North American ruminations.

Post by Jim the Moron » Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:49 am

neverfail wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:18 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:01 am
neverfail wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:12 pm

You never need wonder where global anti-Americanism comes from.
Indeed. Hopefully the world may now be better equipped to put the leash on the beast...
I don't think so Sertorio. A US president has only limited powers. Constitutional limitations; the division of powers between executive and legislature and between the Federal and states means that the experience of being a POTUS must be quite exasperating quite often. Unfortunately, the particular powers he does have at his command can be used in quite a devastating manner.
As it happens, many Americans welcome anti-Americanism from any source. It assists the US in identifying those folks who cannot be relied upon as reliable partners in furthering US interests. While we realize that there are needy entities worldwide who worry about being "liked," there is much to be said for being disliked.

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Re: Neverfail's North American ruminations.

Post by Sertorio » Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:09 am

Jim the Moron wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:49 am

As it happens, many Americans welcome anti-Americanism from any source. It assists the US in identifying those folks who cannot be relied upon as reliable partners in furthering US interests.
Do you realize what you just wrote? Reliable partners are those who further US interests... And I thought that a partnership was a form of relationship in which BOTH parties benefitted... Sorry, my mistake...

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Re: Neverfail's North American ruminations.

Post by Jim the Moron » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:13 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:09 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:49 am

As it happens, many Americans welcome anti-Americanism from any source. It assists the US in identifying those folks who cannot be relied upon as reliable partners in furthering US interests.
Do you realize what you just wrote? Reliable partners are those who further US interests... And I thought that a partnership was a form of relationship in which BOTH parties benefitted... Sorry, my mistake...
American interests being furthered in a partnership hardly precludes a beneficial obtain by the other party.

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Re: Neverfail's North American ruminations.

Post by Sertorio » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:01 am

Jim the Moron wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:13 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:09 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:49 am

As it happens, many Americans welcome anti-Americanism from any source. It assists the US in identifying those folks who cannot be relied upon as reliable partners in furthering US interests.
Do you realize what you just wrote? Reliable partners are those who further US interests... And I thought that a partnership was a form of relationship in which BOTH parties benefitted... Sorry, my mistake...
American interests being furthered in a partnership hardly precludes a beneficial obtain by the other party.
The fact that the US only cares about furthering its own interests without caring about whether the other party's interests are equally furthered, makes any partnership with the US a particularly shaky venture. And since the US not only is more powerful than most other countries, but also is always ready to impose its will on others, the chances that any partner of the US will be swindled are very large indeed... But I suppose that's capitalism for you: the stronger party always imposes its will on the weaker one...

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Re: Neverfail's North American ruminations.

Post by SteveFoerster » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:21 am

neverfail wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:08 pm
Jim the Moron wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:59 pm
"Manhattan Island = crass worldly ambition driven by Ashkenazi passion?" (neverfail)
One thing I noticed during my only visit to Australia - a distinct languor among the passive population that could no doubt benefit from a shot of "Ashkenazi passion."
"A distinct languor" you say? You only visited Melbourne but I won't contradict you there.

We have the reputation for being a rather laid back people. Possibly the most laid back of all western peoples; certainly within the english language bloc of countries. It does absolutely no harm for the overall quality of life that we enjoy out here. :P
I'm pretty sure even you all are not more laid back than many parts of the English-speaking Caribbean. 8-)
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Re: Neverfail's North American ruminations.

Post by Jim the Moron » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:34 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:01 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:13 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:09 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:49 am

As it happens, many Americans welcome anti-Americanism from any source. It assists the US in identifying those folks who cannot be relied upon as reliable partners in furthering US interests.
Do you realize what you just wrote? Reliable partners are those who further US interests... And I thought that a partnership was a form of relationship in which BOTH parties benefitted... Sorry, my mistake...
American interests being furthered in a partnership hardly precludes a beneficial obtain by the other party.
The fact that the US only cares about furthering its own interests without caring about whether the other party's interests are equally furthered, makes any partnership with the US a particularly shaky venture. And since the US not only is more powerful than most other countries, but also is always ready to impose its will on others, the chances that any partner of the US will be swindled are very large indeed... But I suppose that's capitalism for you: the stronger party always imposes its will on the weaker one...
That's quite a sweeping statement by you, Sertorio. No doubt the US has "imposed its will on others," from time-to-time. Are there any nations, capitalist or socialist, whose governments don't put their own best interests first? As I stated earlier, "While we realize that there are needy entities who worry about being "liked," there is much to be said for being disliked."
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Re: Neverfail's North American ruminations.

Post by Jim the Moron » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:35 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:21 am
neverfail wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:08 pm
Jim the Moron wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:59 pm
"Manhattan Island = crass worldly ambition driven by Ashkenazi passion?" (neverfail)
One thing I noticed during my only visit to Australia - a distinct languor among the passive population that could no doubt benefit from a shot of "Ashkenazi passion."
"A distinct languor" you say? You only visited Melbourne but I won't contradict you there.

We have the reputation for being a rather laid back people. Possibly the most laid back of all western peoples; certainly within the english language bloc of countries. It does absolutely no harm for the overall quality of life that we enjoy out here. :P
I'm pretty sure even you all are not more laid back than many parts of the English-speaking Caribbean. 8-)
Yep - Actually throughout all of the Antilles I'm personally familiar with (excepting Haiti), West Indians give a whole new meaning to the term "laid back."

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Re: Neverfail's North American ruminations.

Post by neverfail » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:45 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:21 am

I'm pretty sure even you all are not more laid back than many parts of the English-speaking Caribbean. 8-)
Probably not Steve. Though unlike these we are not part of the Third World. My comparison was within the context of the developed world.

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Re: Neverfail's North American ruminations.

Post by neverfail » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:51 pm

Jim the Moron wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:49 am
neverfail wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:18 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:01 am
neverfail wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:12 pm

You never need wonder where global anti-Americanism comes from.
Indeed. Hopefully the world may now be better equipped to put the leash on the beast...
I don't think so Sertorio. A US president has only limited powers. Constitutional limitations; the division of powers between executive and legislature and between the Federal and states means that the experience of being a POTUS must be quite exasperating quite often. Unfortunately, the particular powers he does have at his command can be used in quite a devastating manner.
As it happens, many Americans welcome anti-Americanism from any source. It assists the US in identifying those folks who cannot be relied upon as reliable partners in furthering US interests. While we realize that there are needy entities worldwide who worry about being "liked," there is much to be said for being disliked.
Can we who are not Americans rely up your country to be a reliable partner in furthering OUR interests: given the way in which even long standing US commitments to proven allies can and too often are dishonoured by the demands of partisan US domestic politics and even the whims of idiot presidents?

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Re: Neverfail's North American ruminations.

Post by Jim the Moron » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:12 pm

neverfail wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:51 pm
Jim the Moron wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:49 am
neverfail wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:18 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:01 am
neverfail wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:12 pm

You never need wonder where global anti-Americanism comes from.
Indeed. Hopefully the world may now be better equipped to put the leash on the beast...
I don't think so Sertorio. A US president has only limited powers. Constitutional limitations; the division of powers between executive and legislature and between the Federal and states means that the experience of being a POTUS must be quite exasperating quite often. Unfortunately, the particular powers he does have at his command can be used in quite a devastating manner.
As it happens, many Americans welcome anti-Americanism from any source. It assists the US in identifying those folks who cannot be relied upon as reliable partners in furthering US interests. While we realize that there are needy entities worldwide who worry about being "liked," there is much to be said for being disliked.
Can we who are not Americans rely up your country to be a reliable partner in furthering OUR interests: given the way in which even long standing US commitments to proven allies can and too often are dishonoured by the demands of partisan US domestic politics and even the whims of idiot presidents?
"Can we who are not Americans rely upon your country to be a reliable partner . . .?"
Probably not, neverfail. Needy partners are falling by the wayside as America looks more and more towards putting its own best interests first.

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