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Re: Tommy Robinson

Post by Doc » Wed May 30, 2018 4:26 pm

Milo wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 3:39 pm
Doc wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 3:21 pm
Milo wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 3:01 pm
Doc wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 2:31 pm
Milo wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 1:22 pm
Jim the Moron wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 6:56 am


He was tried in secrecy and sentenced to prison just hours after his arrest. Regardless of one's political leanings, this is chilling stuff.
Three problems with this:

1 He was not tried; he pleaded guilty.

2 He instructed his lawyer to say that he "felt "deep regret" after realising the potential consequences of his actions".

3 His name isn't Tommy Robinson, perhaps to help conceal his extensive criminal record.

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/uk ... rt-1619252
WHich in no way explains why the judge told the entire country to STFU about it.
Same source:

"The judge added: “You have to understand we are not preventing publication. We are postponing publication to ensure that the trial [that Robinson recorded] is fair."
A judge should not be allowed to tell an entire country to STFU It does not matter what the reason.
Well that's the law in every country on earth, so... I wonder if you even know what you're talking about.
I realiz there is no right to free speech in Canada so I can understand you don't know what you are talking about.
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Re: Tommy Robinson

Post by Milo » Wed May 30, 2018 7:25 pm

Doc wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 4:26 pm
Milo wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 3:39 pm
Doc wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 3:21 pm
Milo wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 3:01 pm
Doc wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 2:31 pm
Milo wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 1:22 pm


Three problems with this:

1 He was not tried; he pleaded guilty.

2 He instructed his lawyer to say that he "felt "deep regret" after realising the potential consequences of his actions".

3 His name isn't Tommy Robinson, perhaps to help conceal his extensive criminal record.

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/uk ... rt-1619252
WHich in no way explains why the judge told the entire country to STFU about it.
Same source:

"The judge added: “You have to understand we are not preventing publication. We are postponing publication to ensure that the trial [that Robinson recorded] is fair."
A judge should not be allowed to tell an entire country to STFU It does not matter what the reason.
Well that's the law in every country on earth, so... I wonder if you even know what you're talking about.
I realiz there is no right to free speech in Canada so I can understand you don't know what you are talking about.
Here's the same legal principle upheld under American law:

"The judge then denied press access to the pre-trial hearing and refused to immediately release the transcript of the proceedings."

"The Court added that since the suppression of the transcript was only temporary, no violation of the First Amendment had occurred."

https://www.oyez.org/cases/1978/77-1301

Here's the constitutional guarantee of freedom of expression in Canada:

Section 2 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms:

"2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
(a) freedom of conscience and religion;
(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
(d) freedom of association."

IOW, freedom of expression can and should be put on hold to protect the right to a fair trial.

Your law says so.

My law says so.

English law says so.

And the guy who copped a plea here says so!

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Re: Tommy Robinson

Post by Mr. Perfect » Wed May 30, 2018 9:12 pm

Somehow the footage shows Robinson mostly standing around with someone else doing exactly the same thing without being arrested.
Mr. Perfect wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 12:14 am
Here is the original video, hard to see what was illegal. A 2nd person was filming right next to him and was not arrested.


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Re: Tommy Robinson

Post by lzzrdgrrl » Wed May 30, 2018 10:00 pm

I have a certain notoriety among the lesser gods........

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Re: Tommy Robinson

Post by Milo » Wed May 30, 2018 11:54 pm

Mr. Perfect wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 9:12 pm
Somehow the footage shows Robinson mostly standing around with someone else doing exactly the same thing without being arrested.
Mr. Perfect wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 12:14 am
Here is the original video, hard to see what was illegal. A 2nd person was filming right next to him and was not arrested.

Somehow this story left out several pivotal facts that all favour a certain narrative. Might be wise to not further colour it with speculation.

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Re: Tommy Robinson

Post by lzzrdgrrl » Thu May 31, 2018 3:00 pm

The latest controversy is maddening for many reasons.
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/ ... ournalist/
I have a certain notoriety among the lesser gods........

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Re: Tommy Robinson

Post by Mr. Perfect » Thu May 31, 2018 6:01 pm

Milo wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 11:54 pm
Mr. Perfect wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 9:12 pm
Somehow the footage shows Robinson mostly standing around with someone else doing exactly the same thing without being arrested.
Mr. Perfect wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 12:14 am
Here is the original video, hard to see what was illegal. A 2nd person was filming right next to him and was not arrested.

Somehow this story left out several pivotal facts that all favour a certain narrative. Might be wise to not further colour it with speculation.
That's the thing, in England the facts don't come out. They have many gag orders we don't have. We still wouldn't know one way or the other what many of the facts are.

In the meantime we can watch this video and try to discern what happened. So far I can't find out what happened that was illegal.

This would be the opposite of speculation.

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Re: Tommy Robinson

Post by cassowary » Thu May 31, 2018 8:50 pm

Tommy Robinson, political prisoner

Excerpt:
The U.K. is a country without anything even remotely comparable to the First Amendment, which still has creepy, frightening blasphemy laws, and where truth is not necessarily a defense to a defamation lawsuit.

The American system, readers need to be reminded, is about liberty – the system in England is about order, which is one of the reasons why American patriots had to overthrow the yoke of English tyranny in 1776. Liberty is frightening to intellectually stunted legal bureaucrats obsessed with order, which helps to explain why the English legal system has treated a heroic figure like Robinson so harshly.
This sounds familiar to me. It is the same thing in Singapore, which inherited British laws. Our government used these laws to stifle free speech. The difference is that those who get into trouble here are leftists while in the UK, it is the rightists like Tony Robinson who gets into trouble. And the politicians are trying to censor the truth.

Maybe that's why things are better managed here because these laws are used to shut up the people who really talk nonsense. I agree with what Robinson said - Koran is a violent hateful book. Islam is more than a religion. It is also an ideology, an imperialistic ideology. Robinson is trying to get the truth out.

However, I must confess that if someone talks like Robinson in Singapore, he is also going to jail. The difference is that our leaders secretly believe in what he says and so ACT accordingly. Very few Muslims migrate here. On the other hand, British politicians act as if they truly believe in what they say about Islam - that it is a religion of peace.

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Re: Tommy Robinson

Post by Mr. Perfect » Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:23 pm

Mr. Perfect wrote:
Thu May 31, 2018 6:01 pm
Milo wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 11:54 pm
Mr. Perfect wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 9:12 pm
Somehow the footage shows Robinson mostly standing around with someone else doing exactly the same thing without being arrested.
Mr. Perfect wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 12:14 am
Here is the original video, hard to see what was illegal. A 2nd person was filming right next to him and was not arrested.

Somehow this story left out several pivotal facts that all favour a certain narrative. Might be wise to not further colour it with speculation.
That's the thing, in England the facts don't come out. They have many gag orders we don't have. We still wouldn't know one way or the other what many of the facts are.

In the meantime we can watch this video and try to discern what happened. So far I can't find out what happened that was illegal.

This would be the opposite of speculation.
I've watched this 20 times and I still can't figure out what law he has broken.

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Re: Tommy Robinson

Post by Doc » Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:08 pm

Milo wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 7:25 pm
Doc wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 4:26 pm
Milo wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 3:39 pm
Doc wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 3:21 pm
Milo wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 3:01 pm
Doc wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 2:31 pm


WHich in no way explains why the judge told the entire country to STFU about it.
Same source:

"The judge added: “You have to understand we are not preventing publication. We are postponing publication to ensure that the trial [that Robinson recorded] is fair."
A judge should not be allowed to tell an entire country to STFU It does not matter what the reason.
Well that's the law in every country on earth, so... I wonder if you even know what you're talking about.
I realiz there is no right to free speech in Canada so I can understand you don't know what you are talking about.
Here's the same legal principle upheld under American law:

"The judge then denied press access to the pre-trial hearing and refused to immediately release the transcript of the proceedings."

"The Court added that since the suppression of the transcript was only temporary, no violation of the First Amendment had occurred."

https://www.oyez.org/cases/1978/77-1301

Here's the constitutional guarantee of freedom of expression in Canada:

Section 2 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms:

"2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
(a) freedom of conscience and religion;
(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
(d) freedom of association."

IOW, freedom of expression can and should be put on hold to protect the right to a fair trial.

Your law says so.

My law says so.

English law says so.

And the guy who copped a plea here says so!
Ann Coulter says you aren't telling the truth.







I say you are munging your answer by comparing a judge ordering PARTICIPANTS in a criminal trial not to discuss the trial to a Judge ordering an entire country to STFU about it.
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