Maduro "wins" re-election in Venezuela

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Maduro "wins" re-election in Venezuela

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Watch Maduro wave to the crowd at his massive victory rally

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Re: Maduro "wins" re-election in Venezuela

Post by Sertorio » Tue May 22, 2018 4:25 am

As relevant as Maduro's victory - at a time of deep crisis - is the opposition's incapacity to attract the vote of those who are discontent. There were two opposition candidates, so Venezuelans wanting to show their discontent could have voted for them. Which they didn't. Abstaining - even 55% abstention - is a useless form of protest. In many countries today, abstention levels of around 50% are not all that unusual. Maduro kept his legitimacy to rule Venezuela. His problem will be finding an alternative to the markets dominated by the US. If he can find enough buyers for his oil willing to pay in euros or yuan, he will solve his economic problems.

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Re: Maduro "wins" re-election in Venezuela

Post by SteveFoerster » Tue May 22, 2018 9:16 am

Sertorio wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:25 am
As relevant as Maduro's victory - at a time of deep crisis - is the opposition's incapacity to attract the vote of those who are discontent. There were two opposition candidates, so Venezuelans wanting to show their discontent could have voted for them. Which they didn't. Abstaining - even 55% abstention - is a useless form of protest. In many countries today, abstention levels of around 50% are not all that unusual. Maduro kept his legitimacy to rule Venezuela. His problem will be finding an alternative to the markets dominated by the US. If he can find enough buyers for his oil willing to pay in euros or yuan, he will solve his economic problems.
The Maduro regime has brought misery, starvation, and death in Venezuela. If you can stomach even this farce of an election, then your hatred for the U.S. has truly poisoned your mind beyond all reason.
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Re: Maduro "wins" re-election in Venezuela

Post by Doc » Tue May 22, 2018 6:06 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:25 am
As relevant as Maduro's victory - at a time of deep crisis - is the opposition's incapacity to attract the vote of those who are discontent. There were two opposition candidates, so Venezuelans wanting to show their discontent could have voted for them. Which they didn't. Abstaining - even 55% abstention - is a useless form of protest. In many countries today, abstention levels of around 50% are not all that unusual. Maduro kept his legitimacy to rule Venezuela. His problem will be finding an alternative to the markets dominated by the US. If he can find enough buyers for his oil willing to pay in euros or yuan, he will solve his economic problems.
Maduro arrested or dis-qualified everyone that had a chance to beat him in the election. :roll:
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Post by Sertorio » Wed May 23, 2018 7:57 am

Doc wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 6:06 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:25 am
As relevant as Maduro's victory - at a time of deep crisis - is the opposition's incapacity to attract the vote of those who are discontent. There were two opposition candidates, so Venezuelans wanting to show their discontent could have voted for them. Which they didn't. Abstaining - even 55% abstention - is a useless form of protest. In many countries today, abstention levels of around 50% are not all that unusual. Maduro kept his legitimacy to rule Venezuela. His problem will be finding an alternative to the markets dominated by the US. If he can find enough buyers for his oil willing to pay in euros or yuan, he will solve his economic problems.
Maduro arrested or dis-qualified everyone that had a chance to beat him in the election. :roll:
If I were Venezuelan and disliked Maduro, I would have voted for the least bad of the opposition candidates, to try and take away electoral legitimacy from Maduro. The lack of better opposition candidates was totally irrelevant, if the purpose was to oust Maduro. But the fact is that most poor Venezuelans still prefer him to any of the US supported candidates. So he won. That's what democracy is all about...

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Re: Maduro "wins" re-election in Venezuela

Post by Sertorio » Wed May 23, 2018 7:58 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 9:16 am
Sertorio wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:25 am
As relevant as Maduro's victory - at a time of deep crisis - is the opposition's incapacity to attract the vote of those who are discontent. There were two opposition candidates, so Venezuelans wanting to show their discontent could have voted for them. Which they didn't. Abstaining - even 55% abstention - is a useless form of protest. In many countries today, abstention levels of around 50% are not all that unusual. Maduro kept his legitimacy to rule Venezuela. His problem will be finding an alternative to the markets dominated by the US. If he can find enough buyers for his oil willing to pay in euros or yuan, he will solve his economic problems.
The Maduro regime has brought misery, starvation, and death in Venezuela. If you can stomach even this farce of an election, then your hatred for the U.S. has truly poisoned your mind beyond all reason.
Why was this election a farce? Or better said, why was it more of a farce than any elections in, for instance, the US?...

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Re: Maduro "wins" re-election in Venezuela

Post by Doc » Wed May 23, 2018 11:16 am

Sertorio wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 7:57 am
Doc wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 6:06 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:25 am
As relevant as Maduro's victory - at a time of deep crisis - is the opposition's incapacity to attract the vote of those who are discontent. There were two opposition candidates, so Venezuelans wanting to show their discontent could have voted for them. Which they didn't. Abstaining - even 55% abstention - is a useless form of protest. In many countries today, abstention levels of around 50% are not all that unusual. Maduro kept his legitimacy to rule Venezuela. His problem will be finding an alternative to the markets dominated by the US. If he can find enough buyers for his oil willing to pay in euros or yuan, he will solve his economic problems.
Maduro arrested or dis-qualified everyone that had a chance to beat him in the election. :roll:
If I were Venezuelan and disliked Maduro, I would have voted for the least bad of the opposition candidates, to try and take away electoral legitimacy from Maduro. The lack of better opposition candidates was totally irrelevant, if the purpose was to oust Maduro. But the fact is that most poor Venezuelans still prefer him to any of the US supported candidates. So he won. That's what democracy is all about...
You are defending a guy that arrested opposition candidates and saying it was the voters fault. C'mon Indo.
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Re: Maduro "wins" re-election in Venezuela

Post by SteveFoerster » Wed May 23, 2018 2:00 pm

Doc wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 11:16 am
Sertorio wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 7:57 am
Doc wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 6:06 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:25 am
As relevant as Maduro's victory - at a time of deep crisis - is the opposition's incapacity to attract the vote of those who are discontent. There were two opposition candidates, so Venezuelans wanting to show their discontent could have voted for them. Which they didn't. Abstaining - even 55% abstention - is a useless form of protest. In many countries today, abstention levels of around 50% are not all that unusual. Maduro kept his legitimacy to rule Venezuela. His problem will be finding an alternative to the markets dominated by the US. If he can find enough buyers for his oil willing to pay in euros or yuan, he will solve his economic problems.
Maduro arrested or dis-qualified everyone that had a chance to beat him in the election. :roll:
If I were Venezuelan and disliked Maduro, I would have voted for the least bad of the opposition candidates, to try and take away electoral legitimacy from Maduro. The lack of better opposition candidates was totally irrelevant, if the purpose was to oust Maduro. But the fact is that most poor Venezuelans still prefer him to any of the US supported candidates. So he won. That's what democracy is all about...
You are defending a guy that arrested opposition candidates and saying it was the voters fault. C'mon Indo.
I'd say it's like he's never heard of voter intimidation, but it wouldn't matter. Any regime that's anti-American is the good guy to him, no matter how many of its own people they kill.
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Re: Maduro "wins" re-election in Venezuela

Post by Sertorio » Wed May 23, 2018 3:23 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 2:00 pm
Doc wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 11:16 am
Sertorio wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 7:57 am
Doc wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 6:06 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:25 am
As relevant as Maduro's victory - at a time of deep crisis - is the opposition's incapacity to attract the vote of those who are discontent. There were two opposition candidates, so Venezuelans wanting to show their discontent could have voted for them. Which they didn't. Abstaining - even 55% abstention - is a useless form of protest. In many countries today, abstention levels of around 50% are not all that unusual. Maduro kept his legitimacy to rule Venezuela. His problem will be finding an alternative to the markets dominated by the US. If he can find enough buyers for his oil willing to pay in euros or yuan, he will solve his economic problems.
Maduro arrested or dis-qualified everyone that had a chance to beat him in the election. :roll:
If I were Venezuelan and disliked Maduro, I would have voted for the least bad of the opposition candidates, to try and take away electoral legitimacy from Maduro. The lack of better opposition candidates was totally irrelevant, if the purpose was to oust Maduro. But the fact is that most poor Venezuelans still prefer him to any of the US supported candidates. So he won. That's what democracy is all about...
You are defending a guy that arrested opposition candidates and saying it was the voters fault. C'mon Indo.
I'd say it's like he's never heard of voter intimidation, but it wouldn't matter. Any regime that's anti-American is the good guy to him, no matter how many of its own people they kill.
Since when does a second rate dictator intimidate 10 million voters? What could happen to them if they decided to vote for any of the three candidates? You have to find better arguments...

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Re: Maduro "wins" re-election in Venezuela

Post by Sertorio » Wed May 23, 2018 3:24 pm

Doc wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 11:16 am
Sertorio wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 7:57 am
Doc wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 6:06 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:25 am
As relevant as Maduro's victory - at a time of deep crisis - is the opposition's incapacity to attract the vote of those who are discontent. There were two opposition candidates, so Venezuelans wanting to show their discontent could have voted for them. Which they didn't. Abstaining - even 55% abstention - is a useless form of protest. In many countries today, abstention levels of around 50% are not all that unusual. Maduro kept his legitimacy to rule Venezuela. His problem will be finding an alternative to the markets dominated by the US. If he can find enough buyers for his oil willing to pay in euros or yuan, he will solve his economic problems.
Maduro arrested or dis-qualified everyone that had a chance to beat him in the election. :roll:
If I were Venezuelan and disliked Maduro, I would have voted for the least bad of the opposition candidates, to try and take away electoral legitimacy from Maduro. The lack of better opposition candidates was totally irrelevant, if the purpose was to oust Maduro. But the fact is that most poor Venezuelans still prefer him to any of the US supported candidates. So he won. That's what democracy is all about...
You are defending a guy that arrested opposition candidates and saying it was the voters fault. C'mon Indo.
Two opposition candidates were not arrested and did run. What stopped voters from voting for them in order to get rid of Maduro?...

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