Trump wants Arab allies to replace US troops in Syria

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Trump wants Arab allies to replace US troops in Syria

Post by cassowary » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:31 pm

Trump wants Arab allies to send troops to Syria to Syria

Sounds like a good idea. I don't want to see accidental clashes between US and Russian troops. I think that the US is overstretched. Syria is simply not so important. Let Syria drain Russia of its blood and treasure.

The area the US should concentrate its forces is Asia. The Europeans are rich enough to defend themselves against Russia. Let the Germans take the lead. It's time for Germany to have their own nuclear deterrent.

China will one day grow more powerful than the US itself and the US will need an Asian version of NATO - US, Japan, South Korea, and India to thwart China's imperial ambitions.

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Re: Trump wants Arab allies to replace US troops in Syria

Post by Milo » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:12 pm

Never happen.

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Re: Trump wants Arab allies to replace US troops in Syria

Post by neverfail » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:32 am

What Arab allies?

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Re: Trump wants Arab allies to replace US troops in Syria

Post by Milo » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:37 am

neverfail wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:32 am
What Arab allies?

Exactly!

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Re: Trump wants Arab allies to replace US troops in Syria

Post by Alexis » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:20 am

neverfail wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:32 am
What Arab allies?
Those who wish the US to "stabilize" Eastern Syria and either use it as a bargaining chip to secure a future Syria where Iranian influence is limited, either just maintain US troops there indefinitely... sorry, not indefinitely in fact: only until Kingdom come.

Such countries as Saudi Arabia, the EAU, Qatar...

Their will to take that responsibility is not the question. No matter whether they would like to do it themselves or not, the fact is that they are the ones who really want it to be done. It's much much more in their interest than in American - or European - interest.

So if they refuse to do it, the US is fully justified in answering: "Well, too bad for you, because you'll have to do it nonetheless. Or not, the choice is yours. Anyway, so long, for we're headed home".

Or maybe answering "Well, if you want us to do that... you'll have to pay". An option which Trump seems to have entertained. Guess it would be expensive :D

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Re: Trump wants Arab allies to replace US troops in Syria

Post by Sertorio » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:21 am

Some people seem to forget that Syria is a sovereign state recognized by the UN - and thus foreign troops may not invade Syria without violating international law and the charter of the UN. Also, Syria is now quite capable of defeating and expelling any such "Arab" group. All unfriendly foreign forces in Syria will be expelled - or retreat - including US and Turkish ones.

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Re: Trump wants Arab allies to replace US troops in Syria

Post by Alexis » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:43 am

Sertorio wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:21 am
Some people seem to forget that Syria is a sovereign state recognized by the UN - and thus foreign troops may not invade Syria without violating international law and the charter of the UN.
True.

Also, Syria is now quite capable of defeating and expelling any such "Arab" group. All unfriendly foreign forces in Syria will be expelled - or retreat - including US and Turkish ones.
Not sure, far from it.

Regarding Turkish forces, they have been sent in Syria for reasons which Ankara sees as very important, and I can't see the Turks leaving before either obtaining what they want, or being chased out. Now, Syria has no ability to force them out, and Russia no matter whether it has that ability or not has no interest to do so.

Regarding US forces or Arab or other forces - such as Kurds :lol: ! - provided they would keep US aerial support they would be very difficult to expel from Eastern Syria. Attempt to cross the Euphrates from the west by a number of pro-Assad fighters - including Russian mercenaries - on February 7th ended very badly.

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Re: Trump wants Arab allies to replace US troops in Syria

Post by Jim the Moron » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:49 am

Alexis wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:43 am
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:21 am
Some people seem to forget that Syria is a sovereign state recognized by the UN - and thus foreign troops may not invade Syria without violating international law and the charter of the UN.
True.

Also, Syria is now quite capable of defeating and expelling any such "Arab" group. All unfriendly foreign forces in Syria will be expelled - or retreat - including US and Turkish ones.
Not sure, far from it.

Regarding Turkish forces, they have been sent in Syria for reasons which Ankara sees as very important, and I can't see the Turks leaving before either obtaining what they want, or being chased out. Now, Syria has no ability to force them out, and Russia no matter whether it has that ability or not has no interest to do so.

Regarding US forces or Arab or other forces - such as Kurds :lol: ! - provided they would keep US aerial support they would be very difficult to expel from Eastern Syria. Attempt to cross the Euphrates from the west by a number of pro-Assad fighters - including Russian mercenaries - on February 7th ended very badly.
Yes, "US aerial support" is critical for Kurdish survival. Iraq has successfully screwed over Iraqi Kurdistan regarding control of airports there, and thus possibly restricting US airborne assistance in the future. We'll see - if push comes to shove, will the US aggressively support Kurds there?

Similarly, the US has supported Kurds in Rojava - air base construction, etc. US aerial support there is crucial. As least one base there should be protected for airborne delivery of weaponry and food to the Kurds.

Over the years, the US has been able to assist Israel in its fight for survival against Arab barbarians, mostly by providing materiel aid. It must be the same for Kurdistan. No US troops on the ground, but sufficient delivery of weaponry and food, backed by air strikes as necessary. Don't betray the Kurds.

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Re: Trump wants Arab allies to replace US troops in Syria

Post by Sertorio » Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:14 am

Jim the Moron wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:49 am

Yes, "US aerial support" is critical for Kurdish survival. Iraq has successfully screwed over Iraqi Kurdistan regarding control of airports there, and thus possibly restricting US airborne assistance in the future. We'll see - if push comes to shove, will the US aggressively support Kurds there?

Similarly, the US has supported Kurds in Rojava - air base construction, etc. US aerial support there is crucial. As least one base there should be protected for airborne delivery of weaponry and food to the Kurds.

Over the years, the US has been able to assist Israel in its fight for survival against Arab barbarians, mostly by providing materiel aid. It must be the same for Kurdistan. No US troops on the ground, but sufficient delivery of weaponry and food, backed by air strikes as necessary. Don't betray the Kurds.
The US is no longer capable of imposing its will on the ME. It may still be capable of destroying and killing, but is no longer capable of building anything, especially against the will of the locals. Iranians and Arabs are going to be masters of their own destiny, and the US is slowly - or not so slowly - being squeezed out of the region. From then on, the only way to deal with those countries will be in the respect of their sovereignty, as civilized countries should do. The question is, will the US learn to behave in a civlized manner, or not?...

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Re: Trump wants Arab allies to replace US troops in Syria

Post by Jim the Moron » Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:36 am

Sertorio wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:14 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:49 am

Yes, "US aerial support" is critical for Kurdish survival. Iraq has successfully screwed over Iraqi Kurdistan regarding control of airports there, and thus possibly restricting US airborne assistance in the future. We'll see - if push comes to shove, will the US aggressively support Kurds there?

Similarly, the US has supported Kurds in Rojava - air base construction, etc. US aerial support there is crucial. As least one base there should be protected for airborne delivery of weaponry and food to the Kurds.

Over the years, the US has been able to assist Israel in its fight for survival against Arab barbarians, mostly by providing materiel aid. It must be the same for Kurdistan. No US troops on the ground, but sufficient delivery of weaponry and food, backed by air strikes as necessary. Don't betray the Kurds.
The US is no longer capable of imposing its will on the ME. It may still be capable of destroying and killing, but is no longer capable of building anything, especially against the will of the locals. Iranians and Arabs are going to be masters of their own destiny, and the US is slowly - or not so slowly - being squeezed out of the region. From then on, the only way to deal with those countries will be in the respect of their sovereignty, as civilized countries should do. The question is, will the US learn to behave in a civlized manner, or not?...
It's not a question of the US "imposing its will on the ME." It's rather if the US will again betray the Kurds, who, besides the Israelis, are the only civilized folks in the ME.

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