Sertorio,Sertorio wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:52 am
What Australia - like most countries - needs is peace and the opportunity to do profitable trade with all its neighbours. Allying itself with the US will not provide that, as the US is an imperial power only interested in its power to submit all other countries. The need to show China that the US is the greatest power cannot bring peace to Asia and the western Pacific, so Australia should distance itself as much as possible from the US and establish a normal friendly relationship with China and all Asian countries. Having common roots with the US - the famous Anglo tribe - is completely irrelevant. There are plenty of Australians who have no connections with any of the anglophone countries, and they are very probably the most loyal Australians. They are a very important part of your future, and they are bound to shape it, not the remnants of the Anglo tribe. Poking China with the nuclear sub deal - which is only an excuse to have an American sub base in Australia - is a very dumb move, and Australians should reject it.
You are likely aware by now that I am not well disposed to this AUKUS deal I have real doubts and misgivings about it. At present there is a firestorm of debate out here over it; not least within our governing party where a lot of rank and file members and even some members of parliament of the same party are not "sold" on the deal either.
Believe it or not it was not the Americans who pushed AUKUS on us but the previous Australian government led by Scott Morrison that actively proposed the deal to their American colleagues - probably after they got pissed off with the French in being too slow honouring an earlier contract to build a fleet of conventional subs for our navy. Had Donald Trump have still been US President he would likely have refused to share secret US nuclear propulsion technology even with a tried and proven ally like Australia. But president Biden was/is a president of a different persuasion and he saw fit to authorise the deal.
The trouble with the Australian Labor Party in Opposition was that it adopted the Morrison government's foreign policy simply for the politically expedient reason that it denied the government the opportunity to "wedge" them over it (i.e. to arouse controversy that could have lost Labor the nest election. So Labor got elected with a promise of "no change" to foreign policy - which was really a dumb move when looked at from the persepctive of the nations interests as distinct from their own partisan interests. Now in government they feel compelled to honour it.
I may add here that the current Prime Minister, Antony Albenese, is not noted as being a reflective individual. He does not think deeply about isues or about the long tern consequence of policy moves. But then his predecessor in office seems with hindsight to have been none too bright in that regard either.
In summary: we are in this impasse because we are led by dills who are incapable of thinking outside the box.
Sertorio, you are wrong in assuming that our defence and foreigtn poolicy ties with the US preclude us from " a normal friendly relationship with China and all Asian countries. None of them seem to hold our membership in the Western alliance against us and our trade and a range of other ties with our Asian neighbours are blossuming profusely. Even the PRC, even as it's government grumbles publically about the AUKUS subs (understandably) has so far neither threatened nor enacted any form of retalliation on us.
Thus far we have been able to have it both ways.