Bakhmut is about to fall to Russia.

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Re: Bakhmut is about to fall to Russia.

Post by neverfail » Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:56 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:56 pm
neverfail wrote:
Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:32 pm
Ukranian forces might even lose the battle for Bakhmut. Well, if they do then so what? The Ukranians have so far won an incredable number of victories over this conflict.

As our old saying goes "you can't win them all"!
Ukrainian victories? The tactical retreats of Russia in Kherson and Kharkov were not Ukrainian victories. And since then the Ukrainian forces have been unable to advance one inch anywhere. Just wait to see what is going to happen after Bakhmut falls...
The fact that Ukraine has survived one year plus unconquered is victory in itself.

By the way: speaking of no country other than Russia having recognised the bogus soverignty of the two "breakaway" republics; it just struck me that among the country's that have denied international recognition is Belarus. Belarus, a client state of Russia's ruled by a dictator who owes his power to support provided by Vladimir Putin. Imagine!

It would seem that not even Alexander Grigoryevich Lukashenko can stomach lending credibility to these two spurious creations of Putin by granting them recognition.

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Re: Bakhmut is about to fall to Russia.

Post by cassowary » Thu Mar 02, 2023 6:27 pm

neverfail wrote:
Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:56 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:56 pm
neverfail wrote:
Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:32 pm
Ukranian forces might even lose the battle for Bakhmut. Well, if they do then so what? The Ukranians have so far won an incredable number of victories over this conflict.

As our old saying goes "you can't win them all"!
Ukrainian victories? The tactical retreats of Russia in Kherson and Kharkov were not Ukrainian victories. And since then the Ukrainian forces have been unable to advance one inch anywhere. Just wait to see what is going to happen after Bakhmut falls...
The fact that Ukraine has survived one year plus unconquered is victory in itself.

By the way: speaking of no country other than Russia having recognised the bogus soverignty of the two "breakaway" republics; it just struck me that among the country's that have denied international recognition is Belarus. Belarus, a client state of Russia's ruled by a dictator who owes his power to support provided by Vladimir Putin. Imagine!

It would seem that not even Alexander Grigoryevich Lukashenko can stomach lending credibility to these two spurious creations of Putin by granting them recognition.
China will one day use the same playbook to gain control of East Siberia which they call Outer Manchuria.
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Re: Bakhmut is about to fall to Russia.

Post by Sertorio » Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:39 am

Battle of Bakhmut: Ukrainian soldiers worry Russians begin to ‘taste victory’
by Asami Terajima - March 15, 2023 2:05 am
https://kyivindependent.com/national/ba ... te-victory

Editor's note: The Kyiv Independent is not revealing the soldiers' surnames or the exact location of their deployment due to security concerns amid the ongoing war. Some military personnel spoke without the authorization of their commanders or a press officer.

DONETSK OBLAST – Just days before heading back to fight in the Battle of Bakhmut, a Ukrainian soldier Volodymyr, 54, said he felt ill-prepared.

"When they drive us to Bakhmut, I already know I'm being sent to death," Volodymyr told the Kyiv Independent during his brief stay in Kramatorsk, a city in Donetsk Oblast some 25 kilometers west of the front line.

Volodymyr, an infantryman from the 93rd Mechanized Brigade, said he struggled to eat after fighting in Bakhmut for months. He looked shaken as he talked.

For two months, Volodymyr's unit was tasked with guarding Bakhmut against small Russian assault groups creeping into the city. The brigade was constantly under mortar fire as soldiers were outdoors where shrapnels could wound or kill them at any moment.

"(The Russians) keep firing at us, but we don't have artillery – so we have nothing to attack them back with," Volodymyr said. "I don't know if I will return or not. We are just getting killed."

Ukrainian infantrymen interviewed by the Kyiv Independent described the fighting in Bakhmut as a desperate survival challenge against Russia's "infinite" stocks of artillery munitions and manpower. With just their machine guns and rifles, they say they braced relentless Russian mortar and artillery attacks until their hideout was eventually destroyed.

Volodymyr is haunted by the thoughts of his comrades killed in Bakhmut. He recalls a 29-year-old comrade whom he found lying dead after shrapnel hit the young man's head at a position.

"I knew he was dead, but I just kept wrapping his head (with bandages)," Volodymyr said.
The Kyiv Independent must have been bought by Putin...

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Re: Bakhmut is about to fall to Russia.

Post by SteveFoerster » Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:54 am

Sertorio wrote:
Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:39 am
The Kyiv Independent must have been bought by Putin...
As an English-language publication, their real audience is Western policymakers, in whom they hope to increase the sense of urgency for providing materiel support to Ukraine.

That said, it's hardly surprising that a soldier who has been defending his country for a year from a relentless unjustifiable invasion would be frustrated and dispirited.
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Re: Bakhmut is about to fall to Russia.

Post by Doc » Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:44 am

That Bakhmut is falling to Russia is no surprise The real story is the many 10's of thousand of Russian solders fell trying to get Baktmut to fall. Bukhmut has zero strategic significance . I wonder how many mothers wives and children of those dead soldiers feel about them dying for NOTHING, NADA, ZIP?

"My father went to Bukhmut and all I got was this stupid body bag"
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Re: Bakhmut is about to fall to Russia.

Post by Milo » Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:14 am

Doc wrote:
Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:44 am
That Bakhmut is falling to Russia is no surprise The real story is the many 10's of thousand of Russian solders fell trying to get Baktmut to fall. Bukhmut has zero strategic significance . I wonder how many mothers wives and children of those dead soldiers feel about them dying for NOTHING, NADA, ZIP?

"My father went to Bukhmut and all I got was this stupid body bag"
I think the Ukrainians are playing rope a dope here.

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Re: Bakhmut is about to fall to Russia.

Post by Doc » Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:13 pm

Milo wrote:
Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:14 am
Doc wrote:
Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:44 am
That Bakhmut is falling to Russia is no surprise The real story is the many 10's of thousand of Russian solders fell trying to get Baktmut to fall. Bukhmut has zero strategic significance . I wonder how many mothers wives and children of those dead soldiers feel about them dying for NOTHING, NADA, ZIP?

"My father went to Bukhmut and all I got was this stupid body bag"
I think the Ukrainians are playing rope a dope here.
That was the idea. Hopefully their success in decimating the Russians on the ground there hasn't gone to their heads.
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