Will the Supreme Court curb union power?

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Will the Supreme Court curb union power?

Post by cassowary » Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:44 am

Fees case may result in weakening the unions
The nine justices will hear a challenge backed by anti-union groups to the legality of fees that workers who are not members of unions representing teachers, police, firefighters and certain other government employees must pay to help cover the costs of collective bargaining with state and local governments.

Two dozen states require payment of these so-called agency fees, covering roughly 5 million public-sector workers, that provide millions of dollars annually to unions. Their disappearance would deliver another blow to a U.S. organized labor movement already in a diminished state compared to past decades.
My guess is that the Supreme Court with 5 conservatives (Republicans?) and 4 liberals (Democrats?) will deliver a blow to the public sector unions. This is great news. Bashing the unions will help make America great again.

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Re: Will the Supreme Court curb union power?

Post by Sertorio » Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:06 am

cassowary wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:44 am
Bashing the unions will help make America great again.
Cass,
Don't you ever feel any shame about the insane things you say?...

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Re: Will the Supreme Court curb union power?

Post by neverfail » Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:08 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:06 am
cassowary wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:44 am
Bashing the unions will help make America great again.
Cass,
Don't you ever feel any shame about the insane things you say?...
Probably not! :(

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Post by cassowary » Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:02 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:06 am
cassowary wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:44 am
Bashing the unions will help make America great again.
Cass,
Don't you ever feel any shame about the insane things you say?...
Hahaha. The usual suspects have commented. Of course, it will improve the lives of the majority of Americans. These unions demand pay and perks for its members that are beyond what they are truly worth. In this case, we are talking about public sector unions.

So their victims are the taxpayers. Taxpayers pay union members high wages. The unions make it compulsory for them to charge public sector employees union dues whether they want to join or not. Most of it goes to campaign donations to Democrats who keep their wages high. They also create rules that make it difficult to fire incompetent teachers. So the kids suffer. They too are victims of the rip-off.

Pity the children.

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Re: Will the Supreme Court curb union power?

Post by SteveFoerster » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:04 pm

neverfail wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:08 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:06 am
cassowary wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:44 am
Bashing the unions will help make America great again.
Cass,
Don't you ever feel any shame about the insane things you say?...
Probably not! :(
It's hardly insane to oppose forcing workers to pay union dues that go towards political activity with which they disagree. If unions want dues-paying members, let them earn them rather than shake them down.
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Re: Will the Supreme Court curb union power?

Post by cassowary » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:10 pm

Exactly.

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Re: Will the Supreme Court curb union power?

Post by Sertorio » Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:58 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:04 pm
neverfail wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:08 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:06 am
cassowary wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:44 am
Bashing the unions will help make America great again.
Cass,
Don't you ever feel any shame about the insane things you say?...
Probably not! :(
It's hardly insane to oppose forcing workers to pay union dues that go towards political activity with which they disagree. If unions want dues-paying members, let them earn them rather than shake them down.
My comment was directed at Cassowary's "bash the unions" proposal. The fee obligation is disputable, although non-union members also benefit from any collective bargain agreement.

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Re: Will the Supreme Court curb union power?

Post by cassowary » Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:36 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:58 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:04 pm
neverfail wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:08 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:06 am
cassowary wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:44 am
Bashing the unions will help make America great again.
Cass,
Don't you ever feel any shame about the insane things you say?...
Probably not! :(
It's hardly insane to oppose forcing workers to pay union dues that go towards political activity with which they disagree. If unions want dues-paying members, let them earn them rather than shake them down.
My comment was directed at Cassowary's "bash the unions" proposal. The fee obligation is disputable, although non-union members also benefit from any collective bargain agreement.
I consider a favorable outcome of the Supreme Court on this matter of non-union members being made to pay fees as union bashing because it is typical of their destructive behavior.

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Re: Will the Supreme Court curb union power?

Post by neverfail » Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:00 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:04 pm

It's hardly insane to oppose forcing workers to pay union dues that go towards political activity with which they disagree. If unions want dues-paying members, let them earn them rather than shake them down.
Many years ago I was for a time a trade union branch steward myself. The unions have to operate on the basis of one rule for all or else they cannot do their proper job for their members.

It works on the basis that when the union negotiates a pay increase or some other benefit for the category of employees that it represents, ALL benefit from that regardless of whether they are union members or not. So it stands to reason that unless it makes it mandatory for all to belong to that union, you will unerringly have shirkers who are content to pocket the gains without having first of all made the minor salary sacrifice of contributing to the win by paying union dues.

A bad example spreads. Let one or two get away with it and others will follow suit - undermining union solidarity.

Even in my country, once a paragon of workers' rights, past gains made by our trade union movement are currently under attack.. It is far worse over in the United States whose establishment has always clung to a hostility towards organised labour - idiotically associating prosperity with corporate greed.

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Re: Will the Supreme Court curb union power?

Post by SteveFoerster » Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:38 pm

If workers have to be forced to support a union, then -- by definition -- that union doesn't represent them.
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