Will the Supreme Court curb union power?

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neverfail
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Re: Will the Supreme Court curb union power?

Post by neverfail » Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:43 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:38 pm
If workers have to be forced to support a union, then -- by definition -- that union doesn't represent them.
I beg to differ.

If they gain a pay increase, improved working conditions or any other benefit due to union action then indeed the union DOES represent them.

The case you put is the classic union buster one.

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Re: Will the Supreme Court curb union power?

Post by SteveFoerster » Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:29 am

neverfail wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:43 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:38 pm
If workers have to be forced to support a union, then -- by definition -- that union doesn't represent them.
I beg to differ.

If they gain a pay increase, improved working conditions or any other benefit due to union action then indeed the union DOES represent them.

The case you put is the classic union buster one.
You are literally saying that you know better than those individuals do who represents them. You really don't see the arrogance in that?
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Re: Will the Supreme Court curb union power?

Post by Sertorio » Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:19 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:29 am
neverfail wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:43 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:38 pm
If workers have to be forced to support a union, then -- by definition -- that union doesn't represent them.
I beg to differ.

If they gain a pay increase, improved working conditions or any other benefit due to union action then indeed the union DOES represent them.

The case you put is the classic union buster one.
You are literally saying that you know better than those individuals do who represents them. You really don't see the arrogance in that?
A bunch of free riders who don't mind benefitting from the results of collective bargaining, but who do not want to contribute for the structure which is helping them...

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Re: Will the Supreme Court curb union power?

Post by SteveFoerster » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:10 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:19 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:29 am
neverfail wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:43 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:38 pm
If workers have to be forced to support a union, then -- by definition -- that union doesn't represent them.
I beg to differ.

If they gain a pay increase, improved working conditions or any other benefit due to union action then indeed the union DOES represent them.

The case you put is the classic union buster one.
You are literally saying that you know better than those individuals do who represents them. You really don't see the arrogance in that?
A bunch of free riders who don't mind benefitting from the results of collective bargaining, but who do not want to contribute for the structure which is helping them...
Yes, Mr Socialism, please tell us more about this free rider problem.... :lol:
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Re: Will the Supreme Court curb union power?

Post by cassowary » Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:51 pm

Hahaha. Socialists are the original free riders. The way I see it is that unionism is a violation of antitrust laws. A group of sellers (the workers) gang up together to fix price of labor at an above market wage. By the same token, can the owners of companies gang up together to fix prices that buyers must pay them for their products?

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Re: Will the Supreme Court curb union power?

Post by Milo » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:24 am

My view, as someone who is in a Guild, is that it is quite right for people to band together to get a better price for their labour, but to have that privilege, people need to earn credentials.

Trade Unions and Guilds are not the problem; LABOUR unions are the problem: one gets all kinds of benefits merely, and only, be being hired.

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