Trump supports letting teachers and coaches carry guns in school

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Re: Trump supports letting teachers and coaches carry guns in school

Post by cassowary » Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:37 pm

Milo wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:35 am
An armed and trained professional was at the scene and didn't stop it.
The guy was chicken.
Why would armed teachers do better?
Definitely, if they are being shot at.

At the least, the presence of armed teachers/coaches will be a deterrent. The loonies will pick a softer target - like the offices of "The Coalition to stop Gun Violence. "

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Re: cursed be the US gun lobby!

Post by neverfail » Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:55 pm

cassowary wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:37 pm
Milo wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:35 am
An armed and trained professional was at the scene and didn't stop it.
The guy was chicken.
Why would armed teachers do better?
Definitely, if they are being shot at.

At the least, the presence of armed teachers/coaches will be a deterrent. The loonies will pick a softer target - like the offices of "The Coalition to stop Gun Violence. "
You and Trump alike must be out of your heads Cassowary, if you are serious in that view.

Why should school teachers have to shoulder the responsibility of armed law enforcement officers: every day scaring even the kids by carrying death inflicting devices on their hips in full view of their pupils/students. Reminding them that death is always close at hand. A school environment should be a zone of safety, peace and scholarship - not a bloody potential shooting gallery where human beings are the targets.

Do teachers carry guns on duty in your native Singapore? If it is such a good idea then why don't they do it there?

Carrying guns is no way to teach respect for human life: the most important lesson that the schools, along with parents and others, should teach the younger generation.

GET RID OF THE GUNS altogether. Make the USA more like a normal, civilised western society where school kids, teachers and everyone else have reason to feel safe. And send the US gun lobby (currently employing the President to promote their product) to hell for all eternity!

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Re: cursed be the US gun lobby!

Post by cassowary » Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:33 pm

neverfail wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:55 pm
cassowary wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:37 pm
Milo wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:35 am
An armed and trained professional was at the scene and didn't stop it.
The guy was chicken.
Why would armed teachers do better?
Definitely, if they are being shot at.

At the least, the presence of armed teachers/coaches will be a deterrent. The loonies will pick a softer target - like the offices of "The Coalition to stop Gun Violence. "
You and Trump alike must be out of your heads Cassowary, if you are serious in that view.

Why should school teachers have to shoulder the responsibility of armed law enforcement officers: every day scaring even the kids by carrying death inflicting devices on their hips in full view of their pupils/students. Reminding them that death is always close at hand. A school environment should be a zone of safety, peace and scholarship - not a bloody potential shooting gallery where human beings are the targets.
Trump made it clear that no teacher will be forced to shoulder the responsibility but merely be given the right to bear arms to protect themselves and their students. Right now, schools are usually in no gun zones and so the good guys are prohibited from carrying concealed weapons. This makes them a magnet for the loonies intent on killing people.

Teachers will be carrying concealed weapons out of sight of the students. They will be given a bonus if they choose to do so and also training on weapon handling. This is a cheaper way than simply hiring guards.
Do teachers carry guns on duty in your native Singapore? If it is such a good idea then why don't they do it there?
No they don't.
Carrying guns is no way to teach respect for human life: the most important lesson that the schools, along with parents and others, should teach the younger generation.
Carrying guns teach the kids of the need for self reliance and not depend on government to take care of you.
GET RID OF THE GUNS altogether. Make the USA more like a normal, civilised western society where school kids, teachers and everyone else have reason to feel safe. And send the US gun lobby (currently employing the President to promote their product) to hell for all eternity!
Getting rid of guns in the US is easier said than done. There are already 300 million out there in the hands of private citizens. There is the Second Amendment and widespread acceptance of guns. A quicker fix would be to allow school staff to carry concealed guns, if they wish.

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Re: cursed be the US gun lobby!

Post by neverfail » Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:06 am

neverfail wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:55 pm
Do teachers carry guns on duty in your native Singapore? If it is such a good idea then why don't they do it there?
cassowary wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:33 pm
No they don't.
Well, if you think that it is such a good idea for the USA why are you not lobbying the Singapore government to arm teachers up there too? Make the practice more universal.
neverfail wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:55 pm
Carrying guns is no way to teach respect for human life: the most important lesson that the schools, along with parents and others, should teach the younger generation.
cassowary wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:33 pm
Carrying guns teach the kids of the need for self reliance and not depend on government to take care of you.
Are you crazy? it will teach them instead the importance of being able to kill the other guy before he does you in first!
neverfail wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:55 pm
GET RID OF THE GUNS altogether. Make the USA more like a normal, civilised western society where school kids, teachers and everyone else have reason to feel safe. And send the US gun lobby (currently employing the President to promote their product) to hell for all eternity!
cassowary wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:33 pm
Getting rid of guns in the US is easier said than done. There are already 300 million out there in the hands of private citizens. There is the Second Amendment and widespread acceptance of guns. A quicker fix would be to allow school staff to carry concealed guns, if they wish.
The Second Amendment when I read a copy of it last conferred no such universal right to gun ownership but rather a public DUTY on citizens to be prepared to defend the country in organised militias when necessary. The gun ownership was intended merely as the means to that end. Modern US gun owners are NOT organised into militias to defend the USA so the 2nd Amendment has been misrepresented (probably by some twisted constitutional court judgement in the past) from a national defence policy when the US Republic was young into today's hideous licence to kill.

Having stated that: if they tried to disarm the gun owners it would probably plunge the USA into a state of civil war. I believe that it will happen eventually. All the twists and turns and convulsions in American politics around this issue to delay the inevitable will only make it worse. The whole political history of the USA from the invention of the cotton gin to John Brown's stand and martyrdom at Harpers Ferry was a similar set of maneuvers to indefinitely postpone their Civil War over slavery and southern secession. But Dixie succeeded anyhow and America had to endure the most costly civil war of the 19th Century.

Will it happen again, though on a far bigger scale? All of the delaying tactics being used today remind me so much of those used in the half century before the outbreak of their 1861-65 conflict that the resemblance is hard to ignore.

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Re: cursed be the US gun lobby!

Post by Sertorio » Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:12 am

neverfail wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:55 pm
cassowary wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:37 pm
Milo wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:35 am
An armed and trained professional was at the scene and didn't stop it.
The guy was chicken.
Why would armed teachers do better?
Definitely, if they are being shot at.

At the least, the presence of armed teachers/coaches will be a deterrent. The loonies will pick a softer target - like the offices of "The Coalition to stop Gun Violence. "
You and Trump alike must be out of your heads Cassowary, if you are serious in that view.

Why should school teachers have to shoulder the responsibility of armed law enforcement officers: every day scaring even the kids by carrying death inflicting devices on their hips in full view of their pupils/students. Reminding them that death is always close at hand. A school environment should be a zone of safety, peace and scholarship - not a bloody potential shooting gallery where human beings are the targets.

Do teachers carry guns on duty in your native Singapore? If it is such a good idea then why don't they do it there?

Carrying guns is no way to teach respect for human life: the most important lesson that the schools, along with parents and others, should teach the younger generation.

GET RID OF THE GUNS altogether. Make the USA more like a normal, civilised western society where school kids, teachers and everyone else have reason to feel safe. And send the US gun lobby (currently employing the President to promote their product) to hell for all eternity!
The US should be totally isolated and prevented from having any contacts with the normal world until it becomes a more civilized place... I'm starting to believe Indian shamans must have pronounced a terrible curse on the US and its people, as punishment for the way they treated the Native Americans... That's the only possible explanation for the way the US functions, at home and abroad...

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Re: cursed be the US gun lobby!

Post by Doc » Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:51 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:12 am
neverfail wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:55 pm
cassowary wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:37 pm
Milo wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:35 am
An armed and trained professional was at the scene and didn't stop it.
The guy was chicken.
Why would armed teachers do better?
Definitely, if they are being shot at.

At the least, the presence of armed teachers/coaches will be a deterrent. The loonies will pick a softer target - like the offices of "The Coalition to stop Gun Violence. "
You and Trump alike must be out of your heads Cassowary, if you are serious in that view.

Why should school teachers have to shoulder the responsibility of armed law enforcement officers: every day scaring even the kids by carrying death inflicting devices on their hips in full view of their pupils/students. Reminding them that death is always close at hand. A school environment should be a zone of safety, peace and scholarship - not a bloody potential shooting gallery where human beings are the targets.

Do teachers carry guns on duty in your native Singapore? If it is such a good idea then why don't they do it there?

Carrying guns is no way to teach respect for human life: the most important lesson that the schools, along with parents and others, should teach the younger generation.

GET RID OF THE GUNS altogether. Make the USA more like a normal, civilised western society where school kids, teachers and everyone else have reason to feel safe. And send the US gun lobby (currently employing the President to promote their product) to hell for all eternity!
The US should be totally isolated and prevented from having any contacts with the normal world until it becomes a more civilized place...
You are right The world is a very uncivilized place. The US should go back to its isolationist roots until the barbarians sort out their differences or they go to hell.
“The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.” … George Orwell

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Re: cursed be the US gun lobby!

Post by Sertorio » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:10 am

Doc wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:51 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:12 am

The US should be totally isolated and prevented from having any contacts with the normal world until it becomes a more civilized place...
You are right The world is a very uncivilized place. The US should go back to its isolationist roots until the barbarians sort out their differences or they go to hell.
Fine with me. The result will be the same: a more peaceful world without American wars...

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Re: cursed be the US gun lobby!

Post by Jim the Moron » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:50 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:10 am
Doc wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:51 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:12 am

The US should be totally isolated and prevented from having any contacts with the normal world until it becomes a more civilized place...
You are right The world is a very uncivilized place. The US should go back to its isolationist roots until the barbarians sort out their differences or they go to hell.
Fine with me. The result will be the same: a more peaceful world without American wars...
Doc knows the truth. The US must have the most powerful defensive military apparatus out there. Let the barbarians go to hell. Milo will approve . . .

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Re: cursed be the US gun lobby!

Post by Sertorio » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:41 am

Jim the Moron wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:50 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:10 am
Doc wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:51 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:12 am

The US should be totally isolated and prevented from having any contacts with the normal world until it becomes a more civilized place...
You are right The world is a very uncivilized place. The US should go back to its isolationist roots until the barbarians sort out their differences or they go to hell.
Fine with me. The result will be the same: a more peaceful world without American wars...
Doc knows the truth. The US must have the most powerful defensive military apparatus out there. Let the barbarians go to hell. Milo will approve . . .
The "barbarians" have been subject to the US hell for long enough. Soon it will be payback time...

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Re: cursed be the US gun lobby!

Post by cassowary » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:48 am

neverfail wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:06 am
neverfail wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:55 pm
Do teachers carry guns on duty in your native Singapore? If it is such a good idea then why don't they do it there?
cassowary wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:33 pm
No they don't.
Well, if you think that it is such a good idea for the USA why are you not lobbying the Singapore government to arm teachers up there too? Make the practice more universal.
neverfail wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:55 pm
Carrying guns is no way to teach respect for human life: the most important lesson that the schools, along with parents and others, should teach the younger generation.
cassowary wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:33 pm
Carrying guns teach the kids of the need for self reliance and not depend on government to take care of you.
Are you crazy? it will teach them instead the importance of being able to kill the other guy before he does you in first!
neverfail wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:55 pm
GET RID OF THE GUNS altogether. Make the USA more like a normal, civilised western society where school kids, teachers and everyone else have reason to feel safe. And send the US gun lobby (currently employing the President to promote their product) to hell for all eternity!
cassowary wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:33 pm
Getting rid of guns in the US is easier said than done. There are already 300 million out there in the hands of private citizens. There is the Second Amendment and widespread acceptance of guns. A quicker fix would be to allow school staff to carry concealed guns, if they wish.
The Second Amendment when I read a copy of it last conferred no such universal right to gun ownership but rather a public DUTY on citizens to be prepared to defend the country in organised militias when necessary. The gun ownership was intended merely as the means to that end. Modern US gun owners are NOT organised into militias to defend the USA so the 2nd Amendment has been misrepresented (probably by some twisted constitutional court judgement in the past) from a national defence policy when the US Republic was young into today's hideous licence to kill.
That's the argument by the anti-gun crowd. I heard it before. You can argue till the cows come home with the pro-gun lobby on this constitutional interpretation. Clever lawyers than both of us have not settled this.
Having stated that: if they tried to disarm the gun owners it would probably plunge the USA into a state of civil war. I believe that it will happen eventually. All the twists and turns and convulsions in American politics around this issue to delay the inevitable will only make it worse. The whole political history of the USA from the invention of the cotton gin to John Brown's stand and martyrdom at Harpers Ferry was a similar set of maneuvers to indefinitely postpone their Civil War over slavery and southern secession. But Dixie succeeded anyhow and America had to endure the most costly civil war of the 19th Century.
Exactly. It won't be so bad as to start a new civil war. But it is going to be a big fight. Meanwhile, people will get killed in "gun free zones" by madmen with guns. So the most practical solution is to stop this nonsense of "gun free zones", which are actually magnets for mass shootings. Allow the staff to voluntarily arm themselves with monetary incentives. This will turn them into hard targets.

The only gun free zones should be the offices of anti-gun groups.

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