Australian Minister explains where the HIGHEST gun deaths occurred…and it’s not in America

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Re: Australian Minister explains where the HIGHEST gun deaths occurred…and it’s not in America

Post by SteveFoerster » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:55 am

neverfail wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:03 pm
The right to own a lethal firearm implies the right to use it.
Indeed, and they're used all the time -- as deterrence without any shots being fired. That's by far the most common use for firearms in the U.S. But I suppose discussion of such legitimate uses isn't fodder for foreigners to engage in ceaseless self-congratulatory smugness....
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Re: Australian Minister explains where the HIGHEST gun deaths occurred…and it’s not in America

Post by Doc » Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:51 am

neverfail wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:03 pm
Doc wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:07 pm
This is supposed to be a democracy. Politicians are supposed to be the employees citizens are supposed to be in charge. Your above comment is a denial of that.
America is the only democracy I know of where conceptually the authority to govern comes from the ever changing whims of public opinion. In others, election day is a kind of sorting-out process whereby eligible voters get to choose who they want to govern them for a finite term; but once elected the government has a duty to govern to the best of its ability and does not have to do so in accordance with the shifting consensus of public opinion. In a country where the weight of expectation is that the elected governors are supposed to do whatever public opinion tells them to you are bound to get elected officials with about the same integrity as lumps of jelly. Such officials cannot command public respect.

But going by the number of complaints I have read from American posters about the impenetrable "elitism" of those in the Washington DC beltway, I would humbly suggest that even in your country government does not work the way you describe it.

"Government by the people" is a cherished American myth that should by now have been laid to rest.


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Lincoln was assassinated by a traitor leftist So was Kennedy. MLK was assassinated by a Racist Democrat. Your examples are very open to interpretation NF
Yes, and they were all able to get their hands on firearms - in accordance with (allegedly) a constitutional right guaranteed to all Americans regardless of homicidal intent. The same as the mass murderers who perpetrated the Florida and Las Vegas shootings of recent memory.

The right to own a lethal firearm implies the right to use it.
HItler won a democratic election and then did what you describe above.
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Re: Australian Minister explains where the HIGHEST gun deaths occurred…and it’s not in America

Post by Doc » Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:52 am

"Broward County School Resource officer of the year"

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Broward Coward – Armed County Sheriff Cowered Outside Building – Refused to Confront Parkland School Shooter…
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Re: Australian Minister explains where the HIGHEST gun deaths occurred…and it’s not in America

Post by Milo » Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:57 am

Doc wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:52 am
"Broward County School Resource officer of the year"

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/20 ... l-shooter/

Broward Coward – Armed County Sheriff Cowered Outside Building – Refused to Confront Parkland School Shooter…
Proof that guns don't make anyone safer.

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Re: Australian Minister explains where the HIGHEST gun deaths occurred…and it’s not in America

Post by Doc » Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:00 pm

Should Square roots Be banned?
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Students in Louisiana thought this math symbol looked like a gun. Police were called

By Scott Berson


February 22, 2018 03:43 PM

A discussion among students at Oberlin High School in Oberlin, La., about a mathematical symbol led to a police investigation and a search of one of the student’s homes, according to the Allen Parish Sheriff’s Office.

On the afternoon of Feb. 20, detectives investigated a report of terroristic threats at the school, where they learned that a student had been completing a math problem that required drawing the square-root sign.

Students in the group began commenting that the symbol, which represents a number that when multiplied by itself equals another number, looked like a gun.
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Re: Australian Minister explains where the HIGHEST gun deaths occurred…and it’s not in America

Post by Doc » Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:02 pm

Milo wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:57 am
Doc wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:52 am
"Broward County School Resource officer of the year"

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/20 ... l-shooter/

Broward Coward – Armed County Sheriff Cowered Outside Building – Refused to Confront Parkland School Shooter…
Proof that guns don't make anyone safer.
Or that self protection is a human right because government can't protect anyone.
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Re: Australian Minister explains where the HIGHEST gun deaths occurred…and it’s not in America

Post by neverfail » Fri Feb 23, 2018 1:50 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:55 am
neverfail wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:03 pm
The right to own a lethal firearm implies the right to use it.
Indeed, and they're used all the time -- as deterrence without any shots being fired. That's by far the most common use for firearms in the U.S. But I suppose discussion of such legitimate uses isn't fodder for foreigners to engage in ceaseless self-congratulatory smugness....
Nothing to do with self-congratulatory smugness Steve. The fact that so many Americans feel they need to carry firearms around even as a "deterrent" to dissuade others from doing them over speaks volumes about the sad and sorry state of American society.

Ask yourself "why has no other developed country copied the American example"? The answer is that we get along fine without them. So what sort of insecurity within makes America different?

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Re: Australian Minister explains where the HIGHEST gun deaths occurred…and it’s not in America

Post by neverfail » Fri Feb 23, 2018 1:56 pm

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Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:02 pm

Or that self protection is a human right because government can't protect anyone.
Why is government in the USA so weak that it cannot offer civil society the sort of protection that governments in other developed countries successfully do?

I find it utterly contradictory that a colossus like the USA that can swing its weight around in world affairs (not always leaving the world a better place in the process) is nevertheless powerless to maintain peace and good order at home such as governments elsewhere in the developed world are apparently able to successfully do.

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Re: Australian Minister explains where the HIGHEST gun deaths occurred…and it’s not in America

Post by Milo » Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:43 pm

Doc wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:02 pm
Milo wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:57 am
Doc wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:52 am
"Broward County School Resource officer of the year"

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/20 ... l-shooter/

Broward Coward – Armed County Sheriff Cowered Outside Building – Refused to Confront Parkland School Shooter…
Proof that guns don't make anyone safer.
Or that self protection is a human right because government can't protect anyone.
So, he wasn't an individual, he was a "government"?

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Re: Australian Minister explains where the HIGHEST gun deaths occurred…and it’s not in America

Post by Doc » Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:00 pm

Milo wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:43 pm
Doc wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:02 pm
Milo wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:57 am
Doc wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:52 am
"Broward County School Resource officer of the year"

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/20 ... l-shooter/

Broward Coward – Armed County Sheriff Cowered Outside Building – Refused to Confront Parkland School Shooter…
Proof that guns don't make anyone safer.
Or that self protection is a human right because government can't protect anyone.
So, he wasn't an individual, he was a "government"?
Well he did protect himself. Only problem is that his job as a government employee was to protect others.
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