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Australian Minister explains where the HIGHEST gun deaths occurred…and it’s not in America

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Australian Minister explains where the HIGHEST gun deaths occurred…and it’s not in America

Australian Minister Bob Katter appeared on Sky New Australia to talk about gun deaths after the school shooting today in Florida.

.@RealBobKatter: The highest death rate with guns was in East Germany when it was a communist country, the lowest in Europe was Switzerland where every single household has a gun. There's no relationship between gun ownership and death.

Here’s what Katter had to say:

Three years before the Port Arthur ban, there were less gun deaths then the three years after the ban. And that’s a sign in East Germany that the highest death rate with guns was in East Germany, a Communist country. The lowest death threat with guns in Europe was Switzerland, where every single household had a gun. There’s no relationship between gun ownership and death. But there is definitely some sort of serious problem occurring and it seems to be confined to the United States.

Even in Australia, they know that having guns in homes doesn’t correlate to gun-related deaths. It means America has a problem with something else…maybe mental illness?
BTW This is purportedly a picture of the Florida High school shooter of today
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Re: Australian Minister explains where the HIGHEST gun deaths occurred…and it’s not in America

Post by neverfail » Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:39 am

DOC - Bob Katter (or is that BOOB Katter?) is NOT a Minister in this or any previous Australian government. He is merely a maverick crossbench independent Member of Parliament (i.e. he does not belong to any political party) representing a seat in far outback north Queensland. He is considered a rather eccentric character and the constituency he represents is noted for having the lowest average level of educational attainment in this country.

His opinion (quoted above) has absolutely no credibility. I do not believe that he did any exhaustive research into this matter but is more likely quoting some rumour he overheard somewhere. Just as likely he is also playing up to his (equally ill-informed) constituency for the sake of cheap popularity garnered through the local media reportage on his home turf.

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Re: Australian Minister explains where the HIGHEST gun deaths occurred…and it’s not in America

Post by cassowary » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:06 am

Doc wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:21 pm
https://twitchy.com/bethb-313034/2018/0 ... tchywidget

Australian Minister explains where the HIGHEST gun deaths occurred…and it’s not in America

Australian Minister Bob Katter appeared on Sky New Australia to talk about gun deaths after the school shooting today in Florida.

.@RealBobKatter: The highest death rate with guns was in East Germany when it was a communist country, the lowest in Europe was Switzerland where every single household has a gun. There's no relationship between gun ownership and death.

Here’s what Katter had to say:

Three years before the Port Arthur ban, there were less gun deaths then the three years after the ban. And that’s a sign in East Germany that the highest death rate with guns was in East Germany, a Communist country. The lowest death threat with guns in Europe was Switzerland, where every single household had a gun. There’s no relationship between gun ownership and death. But there is definitely some sort of serious problem occurring and it seems to be confined to the United States.

Even in Australia, they know that having guns in homes doesn’t correlate to gun-related deaths. It means America has a problem with something else…maybe mental illness?
BTW This is purportedly a picture of the Florida High school shooter of today

flshooter.jpg
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Re: Australian Minister explains where the HIGHEST gun deaths occurred…and it’s not in America

Post by Jim the Moron » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:34 am

neverfail wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:39 am
DOC - Bob Katter (or is that BOOB Katter?) is NOT a Minister in this or any previous Australian government. He is merely a maverick crossbench independent Member of Parliament (i.e. he does not belong to any political party) representing a seat in far outback north Queensland. He is considered a rather eccentric character and the constituency he represents is noted for having the lowest average level of educational attainment in this country.

His opinion (quoted above) has absolutely no credibility. I do not believe that he did any exhaustive research into this matter but is more likely quoting some rumour he overheard somewhere. Just as likely he is also playing up to his (equally ill-informed) constituency for the sake of cheap popularity garnered through the local media reportage on his home turf.
neverfail - I know squat about Australian politics, and it does seem (via wiki) correct that Bob Katter is "a rather eccentric character."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Katter

But it appears that you have merely attacked Katter personally, rather than bringing up evidence contradicting his viewpoints as expressed in the link provided by Doc.

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Re: Australian Minister explains where the HIGHEST gun deaths occurred…and it’s not in America

Post by Doc » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:07 pm

cassowary wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:06 am
Doc wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:21 pm
https://twitchy.com/bethb-313034/2018/0 ... tchywidget

Australian Minister explains where the HIGHEST gun deaths occurred…and it’s not in America

Australian Minister Bob Katter appeared on Sky New Australia to talk about gun deaths after the school shooting today in Florida.

.@RealBobKatter: The highest death rate with guns was in East Germany when it was a communist country, the lowest in Europe was Switzerland where every single household has a gun. There's no relationship between gun ownership and death.

Here’s what Katter had to say:

Three years before the Port Arthur ban, there were less gun deaths then the three years after the ban. And that’s a sign in East Germany that the highest death rate with guns was in East Germany, a Communist country. The lowest death threat with guns in Europe was Switzerland, where every single household had a gun. There’s no relationship between gun ownership and death. But there is definitely some sort of serious problem occurring and it seems to be confined to the United States.

Even in Australia, they know that having guns in homes doesn’t correlate to gun-related deaths. It means America has a problem with something else…maybe mental illness?
BTW This is purportedly a picture of the Florida High school shooter of today

flshooter.jpg
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Re: Australian Minister explains where the HIGHEST gun deaths occurred…and it’s not in America

Post by Milo » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:13 pm

Doc wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:07 pm
cassowary wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:06 am
Doc wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:21 pm
https://twitchy.com/bethb-313034/2018/0 ... tchywidget

Australian Minister explains where the HIGHEST gun deaths occurred…and it’s not in America

Australian Minister Bob Katter appeared on Sky New Australia to talk about gun deaths after the school shooting today in Florida.

.@RealBobKatter: The highest death rate with guns was in East Germany when it was a communist country, the lowest in Europe was Switzerland where every single household has a gun. There's no relationship between gun ownership and death.

Here’s what Katter had to say:

Three years before the Port Arthur ban, there were less gun deaths then the three years after the ban. And that’s a sign in East Germany that the highest death rate with guns was in East Germany, a Communist country. The lowest death threat with guns in Europe was Switzerland, where every single household had a gun. There’s no relationship between gun ownership and death. But there is definitely some sort of serious problem occurring and it seems to be confined to the United States.

Even in Australia, they know that having guns in homes doesn’t correlate to gun-related deaths. It means America has a problem with something else…maybe mental illness?
BTW This is purportedly a picture of the Florida High school shooter of today

flshooter.jpg
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Re: I weary of having to refute the lies of nutters and scoundrels!

Post by neverfail » Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:48 pm

Jim the Moron wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:34 am

neverfail - I know squat about Australian politics, and it does seem (via wiki) correct that Bob Katter is "a rather eccentric character."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Katter

But it appears that you have merely attacked Katter personally, rather than bringing up evidence contradicting his viewpoints as expressed in the link provided by Doc.
Well, having lived here and taken an interest in Australian politics for the better part of my 70 years I probably know a lot more than you do Jim. I think that we may agree on that.

My response was initially to the silly, misleading assertion in Doc's provided link that Bob Katter was/is a government minister. At very least that was sloppy reporting on the part of twitchy :?: (I believe that even sky news could do better than that) and at worse a deliberate lie.

Switzerland? Katter did not tell the whole story. Please in particular look at the two graphs in this link labeled respectively Where do people own the most guns? and Where do the most people die from guns? and compare Switzerland with the United States in both cases. I would assert that the situation in the USA is inexcusable.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/society/be ... s/43573832

I am not even a bit impressed by the quibble routinely put up by gun lobby advocates in the USA (some even on this website) attempting to demonstrate that the states with the most restrictive gun laws have the worst records of gun related deaths. The point is that for the country as a whole the statistics are damning.

As for the question of gun related violence in East Germany (by which I presume Katter is referring to the DDR of old) the only plausible reference I could Google up was this one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_d ... erlin_Wall

DDR border guards shooting fellow East Germans attempting to escape from their Communist dystopia is quite a different matter to a high rate of freelance gun related deaths within the country akin to the "normal" :?: , ongoing situation in the USA.

It amazes me that sky news could be complicit with the US gun lobby in interviewing a notably crackpot Australian politician for the sake of bolstering its interests (or as likely, the gun lobby operating a bogus website for the sake of misrepresenting that interview - and likely other propaganda, in support of their interest.)

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Re: Australian Minister explains where the HIGHEST gun deaths occurred…and it’s not in America

Post by Doc » Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:00 pm

Milo wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:13 pm
Doc wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:07 pm
cassowary wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:06 am
Doc wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:21 pm
https://twitchy.com/bethb-313034/2018/0 ... tchywidget

Australian Minister explains where the HIGHEST gun deaths occurred…and it’s not in America

Australian Minister Bob Katter appeared on Sky New Australia to talk about gun deaths after the school shooting today in Florida.

.@RealBobKatter: The highest death rate with guns was in East Germany when it was a communist country, the lowest in Europe was Switzerland where every single household has a gun. There's no relationship between gun ownership and death.

Here’s what Katter had to say:

Three years before the Port Arthur ban, there were less gun deaths then the three years after the ban. And that’s a sign in East Germany that the highest death rate with guns was in East Germany, a Communist country. The lowest death threat with guns in Europe was Switzerland, where every single household had a gun. There’s no relationship between gun ownership and death. But there is definitely some sort of serious problem occurring and it seems to be confined to the United States.

Even in Australia, they know that having guns in homes doesn’t correlate to gun-related deaths. It means America has a problem with something else…maybe mental illness?
BTW This is purportedly a picture of the Florida High school shooter of today

flshooter.jpg
Mentally ill people find leftism attractive.
Indeed

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"There's one problem—it's a hoax"

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/christine ... k-n1862890

https://www.snopes.com/crime-rates-democrats-vote/
Firstly this particular map does not break the country down into a two color two shade map. I fact is is not the same map as claimed.


Second I give ZERO credibility to Snopes as an honest fact checking site.

All the gun control debate does is prevents real discussion about gun violence. Giving Drugs to kids that take away their empathy(Which BTW are sold by Big Pharma that buys the MSM news media by paying for advertisements), and huge schools where the kids are anonymous strangers. Plus anonymous social media and the break down of families. But no we can't talk about that because leftists want to ban guns.
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Re: Australian Minister explains where the HIGHEST gun deaths occurred…and it’s not in America

Post by neverfail » Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:20 pm

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Forget about your internal partisan quibbles about gun ownership yanks!

Take another look at the position of the United States vis other countries with better gun controls in these two bar graphs:

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/society/be ... s/43573832

The case in favour of the (so called) "constitutional right to own firearms" is indefensible.

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Post by Doc » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:10 pm

Forget about your internal partisan quibbles about gun ownership yanks!

Take another look at the position of the United States vis other countries with better gun controls in these two bar graphs:

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/society/be ... s/43573832

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Seems like your link got parsed by the forum softwar NF> Could you post it again?

The case in favour of the (so called) "constitutional right to own firearms" is indefensible.
That is what the British said in 1775
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