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Russia meddled in U.S. election: George W. Bush

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:39 pm
by neverfail
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pol ... ff0b9f79c2

Yeah, and do you know what? The Pope is a Catholic and the Grand Mufti a Muslim? What else is new?

Re: Russia meddled in U.S. election: George W. Bush

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:40 pm
by Milo
neverfail wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:39 pm
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pol ... ff0b9f79c2

Yeah, and do you know what? The Pope is a Catholic and the Grand Mufti a Muslim? What else is new?
Wait for it...

Re: Russia meddled in U.S. election: George W. Bush

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:17 am
by neverfail
When George Bush Jr., a former two term US president of the Republican Party brand, comes out of retirement long enough to publically contradict the position of an incumbent president of the same party livery, well, his words would seem to carry additional credibility, don't you think?

Re: Russia meddled in U.S. election: George W. Bush

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:04 pm
by SteveFoerster
neverfail wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:17 am
When George Bush Jr., a former two term US president of the Republican Party brand, comes out of retirement long enough to publically contradict the position of an incumbent president of the same party livery, well, his words would seem to carry additional credibility, don't you think?
Trump and the Bush family are staunch enemies, not allies. Don't forget that Trump humiliated Dubya's brother Jeb all primary season long. For this reason, I'd say it carries no additional credibility at all.

(Doesn't mean he's wrong, though.)

Re: Russia meddled in U.S. election: George W. Bush

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:35 pm
by Milo
Of course there is the fact that all of the US intelligence agencies agree that the Russians interfered in the 2016 election.

Re: Russia meddled in U.S. election: George W. Bush

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:19 pm
by SteveFoerster
Milo wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:35 pm
Of course there is the fact that all of the US intelligence agencies agree that the Russians interfered in the 2016 election.
The same ones that insisted there were WMDs in Iraq?

Re: Russia meddled in U.S. election: George W. Bush

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:23 pm
by neverfail
SteveFoerster wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:19 pm
Milo wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:35 pm
Of course there is the fact that all of the US intelligence agencies agree that the Russians interfered in the 2016 election.
The same ones that insisted there were WMDs in Iraq?
All the more reason to believe them now. They would not want to suffer the embarrassment of getting it wrong twice.

Re: Russia meddled in U.S. election: George W. Bush

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:32 am
by Milo
neverfail wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:23 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:19 pm
Milo wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:35 pm
Of course there is the fact that all of the US intelligence agencies agree that the Russians interfered in the 2016 election.
The same ones that insisted there were WMDs in Iraq?
All the more reason to believe them now. They would not want to suffer the embarrassment of getting it wrong twice.
And there's also the mountain of evidence found by Facebook, Twitter and others in the private sector, several European intelligence agencies, with concurrence by a number of other US lawmakers, Republican and Democrat.

I also have to wonder what benefit there is in bristling at the idea that Russia tried to interfere in the 2016 US election. Surely it's better to err on the side of defending democracy?

Re: Russia meddled in U.S. election: George W. Bush

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:57 pm
by SteveFoerster
Milo wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:32 am
neverfail wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:23 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:19 pm
Milo wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:35 pm
Of course there is the fact that all of the US intelligence agencies agree that the Russians interfered in the 2016 election.
The same ones that insisted there were WMDs in Iraq?
All the more reason to believe them now. They would not want to suffer the embarrassment of getting it wrong twice.
And there's also the mountain of evidence found by Facebook, Twitter and others in the private sector, several European intelligence agencies, with concurrence by a number of other US lawmakers, Republican and Democrat.

I also have to wonder what benefit there is in bristling at the idea that Russia tried to interfere in the 2016 US election. Surely it's better to err on the side of defending democracy?
It depends enormously on what they actually tried to do. Buy ads on social media? It's pretty hard for the Americans to complain about that. Hack into voting machines and change the results? Okay, that's an act of war.

Re: Russia meddled in U.S. election: George W. Bush

Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:12 pm
by Milo
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:57 pm
Milo wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:32 am
neverfail wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:23 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:19 pm
Milo wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:35 pm
Of course there is the fact that all of the US intelligence agencies agree that the Russians interfered in the 2016 election.
The same ones that insisted there were WMDs in Iraq?
All the more reason to believe them now. They would not want to suffer the embarrassment of getting it wrong twice.
And there's also the mountain of evidence found by Facebook, Twitter and others in the private sector, several European intelligence agencies, with concurrence by a number of other US lawmakers, Republican and Democrat.

I also have to wonder what benefit there is in bristling at the idea that Russia tried to interfere in the 2016 US election. Surely it's better to err on the side of defending democracy?
It depends enormously on what they actually tried to do. Buy ads on social media? It's pretty hard for the Americans to complain about that. Hack into voting machines and change the results? Okay, that's an act of war.
Frankly I'm mostly ambivalent about the ads but there are laws in America that could be interpreted to say that's illegal.