Victory Seen by an Ukrainian Journalist

Discussion of current events
User avatar
Sertorio
Posts: 8298
Joined: Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:12 am

Re: Victory Seen by an Ukrainian Journalist

Post by Sertorio » Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:29 am

Milo wrote:
Wed Aug 03, 2022 8:49 am
Proof that Russia is conducting a brutal, indiscriminate campaign.

And Ukraine has journalists freely reporting from the front, unlike Russia.

This is why Russia has so many problems with this campaign, without any meaningful critique, they tend to repeat mistakes.
All you have is a pathetic wish: that Putin loses and the West is not cancelled. But for the rest you are of the most complete ignorance. You know nothing, understand nothing, foresee nothing... All you have is a pitiful propaganda and an immense wish that it tells the truth...

User avatar
SteveFoerster
Posts: 3808
Joined: Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:17 pm
Location: Probably DCA, YYJ, or DOM
Contact:

Re: Victory Seen by an Ukrainian Journalist

Post by SteveFoerster » Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:02 am

Sertorio wrote:
Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:29 am
You know nothing, understand nothing, foresee nothing... All you have is a pitiful propaganda and an immense wish that it tells the truth...
"Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty."
Writer, technologist, educator, gadfly.
President of New World University: https://newworld.ac

User avatar
cassowary
Posts: 6060
Joined: Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:30 pm

Re: BBC on Snake island

Post by cassowary » Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:06 am

Sertorio wrote:
Wed Aug 03, 2022 4:16 am
From your link:
The island is exposed to attacks from all directions from air and sea, and the small garrison tasked with defending it - first Ukrainians and later Russians - has been described as "sitting ducks" by military experts.
Which is very much what I have been saying, but while preferring the BBC you cannot even read it right...
The article said that the Russians were kicked out of the island because of heavy bombardment.
The Imp :D

User avatar
neverfail
Posts: 8888
Joined: Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:47 am
Location: Australia

Re: Victory Seen by an Ukrainian Journalist

Post by neverfail » Wed Aug 03, 2022 2:55 pm

..............................................

This discussion has drifted off course.

A Ukranian journalist witnessed a pushback of Ukrainian forces on one particular battlefront due a a shortfall in heavy artillary support? Well, as the saying goes "you can't win them all".

As long as the Ukranian side keeps on fighting then Russia has not won.

User avatar
cassowary
Posts: 6060
Joined: Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:30 pm

Re: Victory Seen by an Ukrainian Journalist

Post by cassowary » Wed Aug 03, 2022 5:41 pm

neverfail wrote:
Wed Aug 03, 2022 2:55 pm
..............................................

This discussion has drifted off course.

A Ukranian journalist witnessed a pushback of Ukrainian forces on one particular battlefront due a a shortfall in heavy artillary support? Well, as the saying goes "you can't win them all".

As long as the Ukranian side keeps on fighting then Russia has not won.
Yes, that’s right. On another battlefront, Snake island, it was Russian forces who got pushed out. So I was making the same point as you.
The Imp :D

User avatar
Sertorio
Posts: 8298
Joined: Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:12 am

Re: Victory Seen by an Ukrainian Journalist

Post by Sertorio » Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:11 am

cassowary wrote:
Wed Aug 03, 2022 5:41 pm
neverfail wrote:
Wed Aug 03, 2022 2:55 pm
..............................................

This discussion has drifted off course.

A Ukranian journalist witnessed a pushback of Ukrainian forces on one particular battlefront due a a shortfall in heavy artillary support? Well, as the saying goes "you can't win them all".

As long as the Ukranian side keeps on fighting then Russia has not won.
Yes, that’s right. On another battlefront, Snake island, it was Russian forces who got pushed out. So I was making the same point as you.
Have you any idea of how irrelevant the Snake Island is? So irrelevant that nobody occupies it now. And you base all your reasoning about the war in the Ukraine on that irrelevancy? You must be getting desperate indeed...

User avatar
cassowary
Posts: 6060
Joined: Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:30 pm

Re: Victory Seen by an Ukrainian Journalist

Post by cassowary » Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:56 am

Sertorio wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:11 am
cassowary wrote:
Wed Aug 03, 2022 5:41 pm
neverfail wrote:
Wed Aug 03, 2022 2:55 pm
..............................................

This discussion has drifted off course.

A Ukranian journalist witnessed a pushback of Ukrainian forces on one particular battlefront due a a shortfall in heavy artillary support? Well, as the saying goes "you can't win them all".

As long as the Ukranian side keeps on fighting then Russia has not won.
Yes, that’s right. On another battlefront, Snake island, it was Russian forces who got pushed out. So I was making the same point as you.
Have you any idea of how irrelevant the Snake Island is? So irrelevant that nobody occupies it now. And you base all your reasoning about the war in the Ukraine on that irrelevancy? You must be getting desperate indeed...
Well, Russia once occupied it. Now it does not because of Ukrainian bombardment from shore artillery. It’s not irrelevant. I read somewhere it has stategic value. See this link:

https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war ... why-186317

According to the article, the importance of Snake Island is that it gave the Russians, if the occupy it, to place anti aircraft middles on it and as a staging area for an assault on Odessa. It also allows Russia to close that area to shipping.

The island is not much use to Ukraine. It is useful only to Russia. So all Ukraine has to do is to station missles and artillery on its coast to prevent Russian forces from occupying Snake Island.
The Imp :D

User avatar
Sertorio
Posts: 8298
Joined: Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:12 am

Re: Victory Seen by an Ukrainian Journalist

Post by Sertorio » Thu Aug 04, 2022 2:29 am

cassowary wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:56 am
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:11 am
cassowary wrote:
Wed Aug 03, 2022 5:41 pm
neverfail wrote:
Wed Aug 03, 2022 2:55 pm
..............................................

This discussion has drifted off course.

A Ukranian journalist witnessed a pushback of Ukrainian forces on one particular battlefront due a a shortfall in heavy artillary support? Well, as the saying goes "you can't win them all".

As long as the Ukranian side keeps on fighting then Russia has not won.
Yes, that’s right. On another battlefront, Snake island, it was Russian forces who got pushed out. So I was making the same point as you.
Have you any idea of how irrelevant the Snake Island is? So irrelevant that nobody occupies it now. And you base all your reasoning about the war in the Ukraine on that irrelevancy? You must be getting desperate indeed...
Well, Russia once occupied it. Now it does not because of Ukrainian bombardment from shore artillery. It’s not irrelevant. I read somewhere it has stategic value. See this link:

https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war ... why-186317

According to the article, the importance of Snake Island is that it gave the Russians, if the occupy it, to place anti aircraft middles on it and as a staging area for an assault on Odessa. It also allows Russia to close that area to shipping.

The island is not much use to Ukraine. It is useful only to Russia. So all Ukraine has to do is to station missles and artillery on its coast to prevent Russian forces from occupying Snake Island.
It's irrelevant. Russia doesn't need the island to wage war on the Ukraine, nor does the outcome of the war depend on the island.

Post Reply