Is Pelosi's coming visit to Taiwan good or bad?

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Re: Is Pelosi's coming visit to Taiwan good or bad?

Post by neverfail » Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:53 pm

From a Sino-American:
Open letter to Nancy Pelosi

Now rumors have it that you are planning to visit Taiwan in August. A lot has changed since your trip to China more than 30 years ago.

The Taiwanese media are all in a tizzy, asking each other, “Who invited Nancy Pelosi? After all, Taiwan isn’t some American offshore possession that Nancy can come and go as she pleases.”

To paraphrase one of the commentators, “Doesn’t she understand that we can’t stand the excitement and tension of her visit?”

He added, “Most people of Taiwan like the relations with mainland China just the way they are. Peaceful, stable, quiet, and we sell a lot of our stuff across the Taiwan Strait, to the tune of more than US$100 billion in surplus every year.”

Some say that you are planning to visit Taiwan to encourage the Taipei government to start a fight with the mainland.

The people of Taiwan have seen how the US has been helping Ukraine in its fight with Russia, and they don’t want any part of that setup.

https://asiatimes.com/2022/07/open-lett ... cy-pelosi/
The mainland China-Taiwan relationship must be more complex than we are led to believe.

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Re: Is Pelosi's coming visit to Taiwan good or bad?

Post by cassowary » Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:19 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:21 pm
Milo wrote:
Mon Aug 01, 2022 3:47 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Mon Aug 01, 2022 3:15 pm
neverfail wrote:
Mon Aug 01, 2022 2:39 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:23 pm

Military things do not require great intelligence, but they do require a particular frame of mind which can only be acquired through experience. My three years in the military, two of which in the middle of a guerrilla war, gave me that frame of mind. Contrarily to you, I know what makes sense strategically, tactically and operationally. I understand what the Russians are doing in the Ukraine, while you don't. I probably would be a bit more radical operationally than they are, but I understand why they have chosen to take a less aggressive posture. Every civilian they injure or kill is likely to be a future citizen of Russia, or a family member of someone who is. If avoiding hurting them means more time before they defeat the Ukrainians, so be it. That doesn't mean Russians are not militarily competent, only that they are not as heartless as the British and American military.
Is it not a pity that the Russian invasion of Ukraine is based on a lie?

Tactically clever, strategically stupid!

(....and please spare us your rank-pulling 'holier than thou' attitude Sertorio. Just because you have past experience as a junior officer in Angola does not necessarily endow you with the ability to think like a field marshal.)
I was for a time in command of an artillery battery, and for a time in charge of intelligence in that unit. And I assure you that I am quite capable of thinking strategically, because I am not dumb. For two years I had to give a lot of thought to military issues, also on an operational basis. I assure you that I understand a lot better than any of you what is happening militarily in the Ukraine. You may find it vexing that it is so, but that's how it is. The military idiocies you are prepared to believe in respect of that war are more than enough proof that you are not prepared to know better. And rather than accepting that I may be better equipped to understand those things you arrogantly prefer to call me a "junior officer". Junior as I may have been, I am infinitely your senior in knowledge and understanding of military issues. Sometime in the near future I will be able to draw your attention to the things I have been saying on that account, and ask you to compare them to the things you have been saying. With a bit of luck I may even see some of you recognizing I was right and you were wrong...
So, Putin doesn’t know what he’s doing.
Putin is assisted by top military men. While political decisions are Putin's, the military development of those policies will depend on the advice of competent military men. So it is very likely that he does know what he is doing. Particularly as having been a lieutenant-colonel in the KGB he must have had some military education. As far as I can assess, he hasn't made any major mistake in his military decisions in the Ukraine. But you wouldn't be able to know it, would you?...
Invading Ukraine was a big mistake.
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Re: Is Pelosi's coming visit to Taiwan good or bad?

Post by cassowary » Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:32 pm

neverfail wrote:
Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:53 pm
From a Sino-American:
Open letter to Nancy Pelosi

Now rumors have it that you are planning to visit Taiwan in August. A lot has changed since your trip to China more than 30 years ago.

The Taiwanese media are all in a tizzy, asking each other, “Who invited Nancy Pelosi? After all, Taiwan isn’t some American offshore possession that Nancy can come and go as she pleases.”

To paraphrase one of the commentators, “Doesn’t she understand that we can’t stand the excitement and tension of her visit?”

He added, “Most people of Taiwan like the relations with mainland China just the way they are. Peaceful, stable, quiet, and we sell a lot of our stuff across the Taiwan Strait, to the tune of more than US$100 billion in surplus every year.”

Some say that you are planning to visit Taiwan to encourage the Taipei government to start a fight with the mainland.

The people of Taiwan have seen how the US has been helping Ukraine in its fight with Russia, and they don’t want any part of that setup.

https://asiatimes.com/2022/07/open-lett ... cy-pelosi/
The mainland China-Taiwan relationship must be more complex than we are led to believe.
This guy is probably working for Chinese intelligence.
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Re: Is Pelosi's coming visit to Taiwan good or bad?

Post by Milo » Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:46 pm

cassowary wrote:
Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:32 pm
neverfail wrote:
Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:53 pm
From a Sino-American:
Open letter to Nancy Pelosi

Now rumors have it that you are planning to visit Taiwan in August. A lot has changed since your trip to China more than 30 years ago.

The Taiwanese media are all in a tizzy, asking each other, “Who invited Nancy Pelosi? After all, Taiwan isn’t some American offshore possession that Nancy can come and go as she pleases.”

To paraphrase one of the commentators, “Doesn’t she understand that we can’t stand the excitement and tension of her visit?”

He added, “Most people of Taiwan like the relations with mainland China just the way they are. Peaceful, stable, quiet, and we sell a lot of our stuff across the Taiwan Strait, to the tune of more than US$100 billion in surplus every year.”

Some say that you are planning to visit Taiwan to encourage the Taipei government to start a fight with the mainland.

The people of Taiwan have seen how the US has been helping Ukraine in its fight with Russia, and they don’t want any part of that setup.

https://asiatimes.com/2022/07/open-lett ... cy-pelosi/
The mainland China-Taiwan relationship must be more complex than we are led to believe.
This guy is probably working for Chinese intelligence.
China has made no secret as to how much they have interfered in Taiwanese politics. The guy doesn’t have to work for Chinese intelligence, he could be working for some elements of Taiwanese society that genuinely believe this, that are Chinese supported. However, those elements keep losing elections in Taiwan.

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Re: Is Pelosi's coming visit to Taiwan good or bad?

Post by Doc » Mon Aug 01, 2022 9:23 pm

cassowary wrote:
Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:32 pm
neverfail wrote:
Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:53 pm
From a Sino-American:
Open letter to Nancy Pelosi

Now rumors have it that you are planning to visit Taiwan in August. A lot has changed since your trip to China more than 30 years ago.

The Taiwanese media are all in a tizzy, asking each other, “Who invited Nancy Pelosi? After all, Taiwan isn’t some American offshore possession that Nancy can come and go as she pleases.”

To paraphrase one of the commentators, “Doesn’t she understand that we can’t stand the excitement and tension of her visit?”

He added, “Most people of Taiwan like the relations with mainland China just the way they are. Peaceful, stable, quiet, and we sell a lot of our stuff across the Taiwan Strait, to the tune of more than US$100 billion in surplus every year.”

Some say that you are planning to visit Taiwan to encourage the Taipei government to start a fight with the mainland.

The people of Taiwan have seen how the US has been helping Ukraine in its fight with Russia, and they don’t want any part of that setup.

https://asiatimes.com/2022/07/open-lett ... cy-pelosi/
The mainland China-Taiwan relationship must be more complex than we are led to believe.
This guy is probably working for Chinese intelligence.
I have no doubt of that. It was actually written by Chinese intelligence. OR at least the CCP propaganda dept. It read the same way paid foreigners on youtube propagandizing for the CCP sounds. IE From a script.
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Re: Is Pelosi's coming visit to Taiwan good or bad?

Post by neverfail » Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:45 am

Well, Pelosi is not visiting the island for the benefit of the Taiwanese but presumably for the additional political mileage she will gain back in the US from it. Were I Taiwanese I would not want my country to be treated as a stage backdrop for such self-serving theatrics by a foreign visitor.

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Re: Is Pelosi's coming visit to Taiwan good or bad?

Post by Sertorio » Tue Aug 02, 2022 4:35 am

neverfail wrote:
Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:45 am
Well, Pelosi is not visiting the island for the benefit of the Taiwanese but presumably for the additional political mileage she will gain back in the US from it. Were I Taiwanese I would not want my country to be treated as a stage backdrop for such self-serving theatrics by a foreign visitor.
Americans and the US treat everybody like that. The whole world only exists to serve their interests. And if they refuse they are severely punished.

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Re: Is Pelosi's coming visit to Taiwan good or bad?

Post by Milo » Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:33 am

neverfail wrote:
Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:45 am
Well, Pelosi is not visiting the island for the benefit of the Taiwanese but presumably for the additional political mileage she will gain back in the US from it. Were I Taiwanese I would not want my country to be treated as a stage backdrop for such self-serving theatrics by a foreign visitor.
The Taiwanese people and government don’t seem to have any objections, aside from a few screeds, obviously written by the PRC.

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Re: Is Pelosi's coming visit to Taiwan good or bad?

Post by Sertorio » Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:41 am

Milo wrote:
Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:33 am
neverfail wrote:
Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:45 am
Well, Pelosi is not visiting the island for the benefit of the Taiwanese but presumably for the additional political mileage she will gain back in the US from it. Were I Taiwanese I would not want my country to be treated as a stage backdrop for such self-serving theatrics by a foreign visitor.
The Taiwanese people and government don’t seem to have any objections, aside from a few screeds, obviously written by the PRC.
It is interesting that a well educated Canadian, living in a civilized country enjoying relative freedom, can only imagine a Taiwanese objecting to Pelosi's visit as a result of orders by the Chinese government. This well educated Canadian cannot imagine a Taiwanese honestly objecting to such visit, out of his concern for the well being of his land.

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Re: Is Pelosi's coming visit to Taiwan good or bad?

Post by Doc » Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:21 am

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