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Re: Finland & Sweden about to join NATO

Post by neverfail » Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:24 pm

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Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:52 am
No doubt Sweden's accession to NATO will make the alliance much stronger and more able to defeat Russia...
If I know Sweden it will prove a steadying, stabilising influence on the alliance and in that regard add to its strength.

This is ion contrast to Turkey. The only thing Turkey has going for it is its highly strategic geographical location. Were it not for that I believe that otherwise it would pay NATO to expel troublemaker Turkey from its ranks.

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Re: Finland & Sweden about to join NATO

Post by Sertorio » Fri Jul 15, 2022 4:20 pm

neverfail wrote:
Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:24 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:52 am
No doubt Sweden's accession to NATO will make the alliance much stronger and more able to defeat Russia...
If I know Sweden it will prove a steadying, stabilising influence on the alliance and in that regard add to its strength.

This is ion contrast to Turkey. The only thing Turkey has going for it is its highly strategic geographical location. Were it not for that I believe that otherwise it would pay NATO to expel troublemaker Turkey from its ranks.
You may find it difficult to see Sweden's influence if half its military pilots resign, as the text suggests...

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Re: Finland & Sweden about to join NATO

Post by Sertorio » Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:52 am

Turkey may freeze process of Sweden, Finland joining NATO, says president
https://tass.com/world/1481503

ANKARA, July 18. /TASS/. Ankara may freeze the process of Sweden and Finland joining NATO if the two Nordic countries fail to meet its demands, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Monday.

"I would like to reiterate that if Sweden and Finland fail to take the necessary steps to meet our demands, we will freeze this process. Turkey has a very clear position, while everything else is their own business," Erdogan said at a press conference after chairing a cabinet meeting.

On May 18, Helsinki and Stockholm submitted their applications to join the alliance, but the process was blocked by Turkey. On June 28, the foreign ministers of Sweden, Finland and Turkey signed a memorandum making it possible for Helsinki and Stockholm to join NATO. The document provides for the two Nordic countries’ cooperation with Ankara in the fight against terrorism, including the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) and the FETO organization, which are deemed terrorist organizations by Turkey.
And they mean it...

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Re: Finland & Sweden about to join NATO

Post by Milo » Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:27 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:52 am
Turkey may freeze process of Sweden, Finland joining NATO, says president
https://tass.com/world/1481503

ANKARA, July 18. /TASS/. Ankara may freeze the process of Sweden and Finland joining NATO if the two Nordic countries fail to meet its demands, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Monday.

"I would like to reiterate that if Sweden and Finland fail to take the necessary steps to meet our demands, we will freeze this process. Turkey has a very clear position, while everything else is their own business," Erdogan said at a press conference after chairing a cabinet meeting.

On May 18, Helsinki and Stockholm submitted their applications to join the alliance, but the process was blocked by Turkey. On June 28, the foreign ministers of Sweden, Finland and Turkey signed a memorandum making it possible for Helsinki and Stockholm to join NATO. The document provides for the two Nordic countries’ cooperation with Ankara in the fight against terrorism, including the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) and the FETO organization, which are deemed terrorist organizations by Turkey.
And they mean it...
How can someone "mean" that they "may" do something?

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Re: Finland & Sweden about to join NATO

Post by neverfail » Mon Jul 18, 2022 4:24 pm

Milo wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:27 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:52 am
Turkey may freeze process of Sweden, Finland joining NATO, says president
https://tass.com/world/1481503

ANKARA, July 18. /TASS/. Ankara may freeze the process of Sweden and Finland joining NATO.....
How can someone "mean" that they "may" do something?
Exactly!

Just as 'a large meteorite may streak down from outer space and demolish The Kremlin while Putin is in session with his "yes" men ministry; killing them all'. :lol:

(Well, not highly likely, but we can live in hope.)

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Re: Finland & Sweden about to join NATO

Post by cassowary » Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:27 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:52 am
Turkey may freeze process of Sweden, Finland joining NATO, says president
https://tass.com/world/1481503

ANKARA, July 18. /TASS/. Ankara may freeze the process of Sweden and Finland joining NATO if the two Nordic countries fail to meet its demands, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Monday.

"I would like to reiterate that if Sweden and Finland fail to take the necessary steps to meet our demands, we will freeze this process. Turkey has a very clear position, while everything else is their own business," Erdogan said at a press conference after chairing a cabinet meeting.

On May 18, Helsinki and Stockholm submitted their applications to join the alliance, but the process was blocked by Turkey. On June 28, the foreign ministers of Sweden, Finland and Turkey signed a memorandum making it possible for Helsinki and Stockholm to join NATO. The document provides for the two Nordic countries’ cooperation with Ankara in the fight against terrorism, including the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) and the FETO organization, which are deemed terrorist organizations by Turkey.
And they mean it...
If they do, then Turkey can forget about western cooperation to get loans.
The Imp :D

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Re: Finland & Sweden about to join NATO

Post by Sertorio » Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:08 am

neverfail wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 4:24 pm
Milo wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:27 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:52 am
Turkey may freeze process of Sweden, Finland joining NATO, says president
https://tass.com/world/1481503

ANKARA, July 18. /TASS/. Ankara may freeze the process of Sweden and Finland joining NATO.....
How can someone "mean" that they "may" do something?
Exactly!

Just as 'a large meteorite may streak down from outer space and demolish The Kremlin while Putin is in session with his "yes" men ministry; killing them all'. :lol:

(Well, not highly likely, but we can live in hope.)
I'm starting to believe my command of English is better than yours. Turkey means to veto the admission of Sweden and Finland if they fail to comply with Turkey's demands. Turkey's decision is conditional to those countries actions (thus may is properly used), but that decision is 100% sure if those countries do not comply...

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Re: Finland & Sweden about to join NATO

Post by Sertorio » Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:18 am

Turkey demands that NATO-hopeful delivers on terrorist commitments
https://www.rt.com/news/559719-turkey-s ... mmitments/

Sweden has still not extradited individuals accused of terrorism-related crimes by Turkey despite pledging to do so last month in an agreement that saw Ankara lift its veto of Stockholm’s NATO membership application, Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said on Wednesday.

“The people we requested to be extradited have not been sent to Turkey yet,” Cavusoglu said in an interview with Turkey’s TV100 network, adding that both Sweden and Finland, another NATO hopeful that was party to the deal, must fulfill their commitments.

Spurred by Russia’s offensive in Ukraine, both Finland and Sweden decided to join NATO after decades of neutrality, officially applying for membership of the alliance back in May. However, for a candidate nation to be accepted into the military alliance, the unanimous consent of all current members is needed.

Turkey initially objected to the two countries’ bids and set out several conditions they would have to meet for Ankara to change its mind. Last month in Madrid, the three parties signed a memorandum in which Sweden and Finland pledged to end their embargo on arms sales to Turkey and crack down on individuals and Kurdish groups that Ankara has branded terrorists. Among them are Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) activists who sought asylum in Sweden and Finland, and followers of the exiled cleric Fetullah Gulen.

“So, while we appreciate the statements made by the Swedish government and the country’s foreign ministry, we will need to see them actually fulfilling the obligations under the memorandum,” the official said.

Cavusoglu’s words followed a stern warning by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan who said last week that Ankara may still veto Finland and Sweden’s NATO membership bids if they fail to live up to their obligations under the deal.

Later in the week, Turkey’s Foreign Ministry reportedly summoned Sweden’s top diplomat in the country to express the government’s “strong reaction” to a protest organized by a Kurdish group in Gothenburg.
I have a feeling that it may still be a long time before Sweden and Finland are allowed to join NATO...

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Re: Finland & Sweden about to join NATO

Post by Milo » Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:45 am

Sertorio wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:18 am
Turkey demands that NATO-hopeful delivers on terrorist commitments
https://www.rt.com/news/559719-turkey-s ... mmitments/

Sweden has still not extradited individuals accused of terrorism-related crimes by Turkey despite pledging to do so last month in an agreement that saw Ankara lift its veto of Stockholm’s NATO membership application, Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said on Wednesday.

“The people we requested to be extradited have not been sent to Turkey yet,” Cavusoglu said in an interview with Turkey’s TV100 network, adding that both Sweden and Finland, another NATO hopeful that was party to the deal, must fulfill their commitments.

Spurred by Russia’s offensive in Ukraine, both Finland and Sweden decided to join NATO after decades of neutrality, officially applying for membership of the alliance back in May. However, for a candidate nation to be accepted into the military alliance, the unanimous consent of all current members is needed.

Turkey initially objected to the two countries’ bids and set out several conditions they would have to meet for Ankara to change its mind. Last month in Madrid, the three parties signed a memorandum in which Sweden and Finland pledged to end their embargo on arms sales to Turkey and crack down on individuals and Kurdish groups that Ankara has branded terrorists. Among them are Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) activists who sought asylum in Sweden and Finland, and followers of the exiled cleric Fetullah Gulen.

“So, while we appreciate the statements made by the Swedish government and the country’s foreign ministry, we will need to see them actually fulfilling the obligations under the memorandum,” the official said.

Cavusoglu’s words followed a stern warning by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan who said last week that Ankara may still veto Finland and Sweden’s NATO membership bids if they fail to live up to their obligations under the deal.

Later in the week, Turkey’s Foreign Ministry reportedly summoned Sweden’s top diplomat in the country to express the government’s “strong reaction” to a protest organized by a Kurdish group in Gothenburg.
I have a feeling that it may still be a long time before Sweden and Finland are allowed to join NATO...
Of course it will be a long time, extradition hearings take a long time, joining NATO takes a long time.

Perhaps this takes your mind off that countries who were neutral for decades have now firmly planted their feet in the NATO camp because they cannot trust Russia’s intentions?

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Re: Finland & Sweden about to join NATO

Post by Sertorio » Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:48 am

Milo wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:45 am
Sertorio wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:18 am
Turkey demands that NATO-hopeful delivers on terrorist commitments
https://www.rt.com/news/559719-turkey-s ... mmitments/

Sweden has still not extradited individuals accused of terrorism-related crimes by Turkey despite pledging to do so last month in an agreement that saw Ankara lift its veto of Stockholm’s NATO membership application, Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said on Wednesday.

“The people we requested to be extradited have not been sent to Turkey yet,” Cavusoglu said in an interview with Turkey’s TV100 network, adding that both Sweden and Finland, another NATO hopeful that was party to the deal, must fulfill their commitments.

Spurred by Russia’s offensive in Ukraine, both Finland and Sweden decided to join NATO after decades of neutrality, officially applying for membership of the alliance back in May. However, for a candidate nation to be accepted into the military alliance, the unanimous consent of all current members is needed.

Turkey initially objected to the two countries’ bids and set out several conditions they would have to meet for Ankara to change its mind. Last month in Madrid, the three parties signed a memorandum in which Sweden and Finland pledged to end their embargo on arms sales to Turkey and crack down on individuals and Kurdish groups that Ankara has branded terrorists. Among them are Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) activists who sought asylum in Sweden and Finland, and followers of the exiled cleric Fetullah Gulen.

“So, while we appreciate the statements made by the Swedish government and the country’s foreign ministry, we will need to see them actually fulfilling the obligations under the memorandum,” the official said.

Cavusoglu’s words followed a stern warning by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan who said last week that Ankara may still veto Finland and Sweden’s NATO membership bids if they fail to live up to their obligations under the deal.

Later in the week, Turkey’s Foreign Ministry reportedly summoned Sweden’s top diplomat in the country to express the government’s “strong reaction” to a protest organized by a Kurdish group in Gothenburg.
I have a feeling that it may still be a long time before Sweden and Finland are allowed to join NATO...
Of course it will be a long time, extradition hearings take a long time, joining NATO takes a long time.

Perhaps this takes your mind off that countries who were neutral for decades have now firmly planted their feet in the NATO camp because they cannot trust Russia’s intentions?
I have another feeling: once Russia wins the present war, and seeing that NATO was powerless to stop Russia, NATO may soon fall apart. After all, what do you need an alliance for if it is militarily powerless?...

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