Western Weapons are Helping the Ukraine to Win the War

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Re: Western Weapons are Helping the Ukraine to Win the War

Post by Sertorio » Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:53 am

cassowary wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:36 am
Sertorio,

What Steve is saying is that there is a possibility that they are non Russians but were given Russian passports.
Yes, that possibility does exist, but what is the probability? Why do people function as if they have no brains? Why insisting on what is not plausible? No wonder such people keep insisting on the Ukraine being about to defeat Russia... :roll:

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Re: Western Weapons are Helping the Ukraine to Win the War

Post by cassowary » Fri Jul 22, 2022 5:33 am

Sertorio wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:53 am
cassowary wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:36 am
Sertorio,

What Steve is saying is that there is a possibility that they are non Russians but were given Russian passports.
Yes, that possibility does exist, but what is the probability? Why do people function as if they have no brains? Why insisting on what is not plausible? No wonder such people keep insisting on the Ukraine being about to defeat Russia... :roll:
I think it’s plausible because Putin does not want Russians to get killed. So he hired mercenaries from all over the world and hid the truth by giving them Russian citizenship. Hiring of mercenaries is an indication that the war is not going well.
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Re: Western Weapons are Helping the Ukraine to Win the War

Post by Milo » Fri Jul 22, 2022 6:42 am

cassowary wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 5:33 am
Sertorio wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:53 am
cassowary wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:36 am
Sertorio,

What Steve is saying is that there is a possibility that they are non Russians but were given Russian passports.
Yes, that possibility does exist, but what is the probability? Why do people function as if they have no brains? Why insisting on what is not plausible? No wonder such people keep insisting on the Ukraine being about to defeat Russia... :roll:
I think it’s plausible because Putin does not want Russians to get killed. So he hired mercenaries from all over the world and hid the truth by giving them Russian citizenship. Hiring of mercenaries is an indication that the war is not going well.
He also wants plausible deniability for war crimes and for shady recruiting methods.

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Re: Western Weapons are Helping the Ukraine to Win the War

Post by Sertorio » Fri Jul 22, 2022 6:57 am

cassowary wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 5:33 am
Sertorio wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:53 am
cassowary wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:36 am
Sertorio,

What Steve is saying is that there is a possibility that they are non Russians but were given Russian passports.
Yes, that possibility does exist, but what is the probability? Why do people function as if they have no brains? Why insisting on what is not plausible? No wonder such people keep insisting on the Ukraine being about to defeat Russia... :roll:
I think it’s plausible because Putin does not want Russians to get killed. So he hired mercenaries from all over the world and hid the truth by giving them Russian citizenship. Hiring of mercenaries is an indication that the war is not going well.
That's just another fantasy. You cannot prove any of it, so why insist?...

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Re: Western Weapons are Helping the Ukraine to Win the War

Post by SteveFoerster » Fri Jul 22, 2022 7:39 am

Sertorio wrote:
Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:59 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:24 pm

You skipped the part where it said, "The Russian state is also documented supporting the Wagner Group with passports." So it remains unclear how many of them are actually Russian, and how many have just been laundered through Russia's Ministry of Internal Affairs.
"Supporting the Wagner Group with passports" means nothing. How many benefited? One? Ten? One hundred?.. The truth is that the Wagner Group is mostly made of Russians and you try desperately to avoid having to recognize it. You have been so brainwashed by western propaganda that you are no longer capable of reasoning. Flat-earthers are like that...
Your own source brings your claim into doubt. Talk about desperate and brainwashed!
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Re: Western Weapons are Helping the Ukraine to Win the War

Post by cassowary » Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:38 am

Sertorio wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 6:57 am
cassowary wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 5:33 am
Sertorio wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:53 am
cassowary wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:36 am
Sertorio,

What Steve is saying is that there is a possibility that they are non Russians but were given Russian passports.
Yes, that possibility does exist, but what is the probability? Why do people function as if they have no brains? Why insisting on what is not plausible? No wonder such people keep insisting on the Ukraine being about to defeat Russia... :roll:
I think it’s plausible because Putin does not want Russians to get killed. So he hired mercenaries from all over the world and hid the truth by giving them Russian citizenship. Hiring of mercenaries is an indication that the war is not going well.
That's just another fantasy. You cannot prove any of it, so why insist?...
Its not fantasy. It is perfect logic.
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Re: Western Weapons are Helping the Ukraine to Win the War

Post by Sertorio » Fri Jul 22, 2022 9:55 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 7:39 am
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:59 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:24 pm

You skipped the part where it said, "The Russian state is also documented supporting the Wagner Group with passports." So it remains unclear how many of them are actually Russian, and how many have just been laundered through Russia's Ministry of Internal Affairs.
"Supporting the Wagner Group with passports" means nothing. How many benefited? One? Ten? One hundred?.. The truth is that the Wagner Group is mostly made of Russians and you try desperately to avoid having to recognize it. You have been so brainwashed by western propaganda that you are no longer capable of reasoning. Flat-earthers are like that...
Your own source brings your claim into doubt. Talk about desperate and brainwashed!
Brings my claim into doubt? How?...

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Re: Western Weapons are Helping the Ukraine to Win the War

Post by SteveFoerster » Fri Jul 22, 2022 1:22 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 9:55 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 7:39 am
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:59 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:24 pm

You skipped the part where it said, "The Russian state is also documented supporting the Wagner Group with passports." So it remains unclear how many of them are actually Russian, and how many have just been laundered through Russia's Ministry of Internal Affairs.
"Supporting the Wagner Group with passports" means nothing. How many benefited? One? Ten? One hundred?.. The truth is that the Wagner Group is mostly made of Russians and you try desperately to avoid having to recognize it. You have been so brainwashed by western propaganda that you are no longer capable of reasoning. Flat-earthers are like that...
Your own source brings your claim into doubt. Talk about desperate and brainwashed!
Brings my claim into doubt? How?...
Sometimes I wonder how you could ever have gotten through a dissertation.

Your claim: The truth is that the Wagner Group is mostly made of Russians

Your source: "The Russian state is also documented supporting the Wagner Group with passports."

There, now I've put those dots right next to each other for you, so if you still can't connect them, it's definitely time to increase your Aricept dosage.
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Re: Western Weapons are Helping the Ukraine to Win the War

Post by Sertorio » Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:33 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 1:22 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 9:55 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 7:39 am
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:59 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:24 pm

You skipped the part where it said, "The Russian state is also documented supporting the Wagner Group with passports." So it remains unclear how many of them are actually Russian, and how many have just been laundered through Russia's Ministry of Internal Affairs.
"Supporting the Wagner Group with passports" means nothing. How many benefited? One? Ten? One hundred?.. The truth is that the Wagner Group is mostly made of Russians and you try desperately to avoid having to recognize it. You have been so brainwashed by western propaganda that you are no longer capable of reasoning. Flat-earthers are like that...
Your own source brings your claim into doubt. Talk about desperate and brainwashed!
Brings my claim into doubt? How?...
Sometimes I wonder how you could ever have gotten through a dissertation.

Your claim: The truth is that the Wagner Group is mostly made of Russians

Your source: "The Russian state is also documented supporting the Wagner Group with passports."

There, now I've put those dots right next to each other for you, so if you still can't connect them, it's definitely time to increase your Aricept dosage.
Unless you know to how many people in the Wagner Group Russia gave passports, your statement is meaningless. But you wouldn't be able to see the weakness of your argument on your own...

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Re: Western Weapons are Helping the Ukraine to Win the War

Post by neverfail » Fri Jul 22, 2022 6:08 pm

I have read somewhere that Western countries have been supplying Ukraine with weapons and munitions by running down their own inventories and have not been manufacturing sufficient amounts fast enough to replace the shortfall. That raises the question "for how much longer can they keep it up"?

Conversely, Putin has not placed his country on a war footing either and Russia has needed to dig into old Soviet era stocks of weapons to supply its military in Ukraine also.

it looks like a metaphorical race to the bottom.

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