Should Ukraine destroy the Crimean Bridge?

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Re: Should Ukraine destroy the Crimean Bridge?

Post by SteveFoerster » Mon May 16, 2022 4:19 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 3:29 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 11:48 am
Sertorio wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 11:11 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 10:53 am
He doesn't care. He's perfectly comfortable building a new Russian empire on Ukrainian graves.
While you prefer keeping an American empire consolidated on Russian - and Iraqi, Syrian, Yemeni, Venezuelan, Iranian, Lebanese - graves...
Stop lying. I've long opposed US military interventionism, and you know it.
If you really opposed US military interventionism you would be praying to all gods for Russia to quickly win the present war...
Given how Putin's hamfisted invasion has brought Europe and the US together, leading to two new NATO applicants (so far), if you really opposed US military interventionism you would be praying to all gods for Russia to quickly lose the present war.
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Re: Should Ukraine destroy the Crimean Bridge?

Post by neverfail » Mon May 16, 2022 4:21 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 3:29 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 11:48 am
Sertorio wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 11:11 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 10:53 am
He doesn't care. He's perfectly comfortable building a new Russian empire on Ukrainian graves.
While you prefer keeping an American empire consolidated on Russian - and Iraqi, Syrian, Yemeni, Venezuelan, Iranian, Lebanese - graves...
Stop lying. I've long opposed US military interventionism, and you know it.
If you really opposed US military interventionism you would be praying to all gods for Russia to quickly win the present war...
...and is you, Sertorio, were anything better than a Putin troll you would be praying for a quick Ukrainian victory of Russian forces followed by the well deserved downfall of Vladimir Putin.

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Re: Should Ukraine destroy the Crimean Bridge?

Post by Sertorio » Tue May 17, 2022 1:06 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 4:19 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 3:29 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 11:48 am
Sertorio wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 11:11 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 10:53 am
He doesn't care. He's perfectly comfortable building a new Russian empire on Ukrainian graves.
While you prefer keeping an American empire consolidated on Russian - and Iraqi, Syrian, Yemeni, Venezuelan, Iranian, Lebanese - graves...
Stop lying. I've long opposed US military interventionism, and you know it.
If you really opposed US military interventionism you would be praying to all gods for Russia to quickly win the present war...
Given how Putin's hamfisted invasion has brought Europe and the US together, leading to two new NATO applicants (so far), if you really opposed US military interventionism you would be praying to all gods for Russia to quickly lose the present war.
Russia doesn't have any military bases on European territory. The US does, not to protect Europe but to keep Europe under control. Russia is Europe's best bet to get rid of US occupation troops...

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Re: Should Ukraine destroy the Crimean Bridge?

Post by cassowary » Tue May 17, 2022 5:48 am

Sertorio wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 1:06 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 4:19 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 3:29 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 11:48 am
Sertorio wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 11:11 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 10:53 am
He doesn't care. He's perfectly comfortable building a new Russian empire on Ukrainian graves.
While you prefer keeping an American empire consolidated on Russian - and Iraqi, Syrian, Yemeni, Venezuelan, Iranian, Lebanese - graves...
Stop lying. I've long opposed US military interventionism, and you know it.
If you really opposed US military interventionism you would be praying to all gods for Russia to quickly win the present war...
Given how Putin's hamfisted invasion has brought Europe and the US together, leading to two new NATO applicants (so far), if you really opposed US military interventionism you would be praying to all gods for Russia to quickly lose the present war.
Russia doesn't have any military bases on European territory. The US does, not to protect Europe but to keep Europe under control. Russia is Europe's best bet to get rid of US occupation troops...
Rubbish. They are not occupation troops but are there with their permission. France asked the US to withdraw and the withdrew shortly after WW2.
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Re: Should Ukraine destroy the Crimean Bridge?

Post by SteveFoerster » Tue May 17, 2022 7:36 am

Sertorio wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 1:06 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 4:19 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 3:29 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 11:48 am
Sertorio wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 11:11 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 10:53 am
He doesn't care. He's perfectly comfortable building a new Russian empire on Ukrainian graves.
While you prefer keeping an American empire consolidated on Russian - and Iraqi, Syrian, Yemeni, Venezuelan, Iranian, Lebanese - graves...
Stop lying. I've long opposed US military interventionism, and you know it.
If you really opposed US military interventionism you would be praying to all gods for Russia to quickly win the present war...
Given how Putin's hamfisted invasion has brought Europe and the US together, leading to two new NATO applicants (so far), if you really opposed US military interventionism you would be praying to all gods for Russia to quickly lose the present war.
Russia doesn't have any military bases on European territory. The US does, not to protect Europe but to keep Europe under control. Russia is Europe's best bet to get rid of US occupation troops...
For one thing, Russia is in Europe, and has an exclave in the heart of central Europe. Russia also has troops in Belarus, another European country.

More broadly, though, the US is there because (other than you) Europeans want them there. Russia is not there because no one (but you) wants Russian troops marching down their streets.
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Re: Should Ukraine destroy the Crimean Bridge?

Post by Sertorio » Tue May 17, 2022 9:43 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 7:36 am

More broadly, though, the US is there because (other than you) Europeans want them there. Russia is not there because no one (but you) wants Russian troops marching down their streets.
Europe has three times the population of Russia and is a lot richer, but while Russia is a major military power capable of facing the US, Europe needs the US military in order to defend itself... Doesn't that strike you as odd? Europe could easily defend itself on its own, without having to put itself at the mercy of the US. Why in heavens must Europe be vassal to the US? Why must we get American permission to carry out an own foreign policy? Why must we subordinate our interests to the interests of the US?... This is so stupid that the only likely explanation is that European politicians have been corrupted by the US. And if you see how many former European politicians end up with top jobs at large American corporations, you may start understanding why they accept their vassal status...But sooner or later people like Marine Le Pen will start gaining power in Europe and then we may finally free ourselves from the American yoke...

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Re: Should Ukraine destroy the Crimean Bridge?

Post by neverfail » Tue May 17, 2022 5:37 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 9:43 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 7:36 am

More broadly, though, the US is there because (other than you) Europeans want them there. Russia is not there because no one (but you) wants Russian troops marching down their streets.
Europe has three times the population of Russia and is a lot richer, but while Russia is a major military power capable of facing the US, Europe needs the US military in order to defend itself... Doesn't that strike you as odd?
Not at all odd Sertorio. As occasional poster Alexis (himself technically a "European" by virtue of being a Frenchman) once put it: "there is no country called Europe." Enough said!

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Re: Should Ukraine destroy the Crimean Bridge?

Post by cassowary » Tue May 17, 2022 6:22 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 9:43 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 7:36 am

More broadly, though, the US is there because (other than you) Europeans want them there. Russia is not there because no one (but you) wants Russian troops marching down their streets.
Europe has three times the population of Russia and is a lot richer, but while Russia is a major military power capable of facing the US, Europe needs the US military in order to defend itself... Doesn't that strike you as odd? Europe could easily defend itself on its own, without having to put itself at the mercy of the US. Why in heavens must Europe be vassal to the US? Why must we get American permission to carry out an own foreign policy? Why must we subordinate our interests to the interests of the US?... This is so stupid that the only likely explanation is that European politicians have been corrupted by the US. And if you see how many former European politicians end up with top jobs at large American corporations, you may start understanding why they accept their vassal status...But sooner or later people like Marine Le Pen will start gaining power in Europe and then we may finally free ourselves from the American yoke...
They can ask the US to leave anytime. Philippines did and they left. Not much of an empire if the vassals can ask the Americans to go home anytime.

Also, how many times did the US invade a NATO country? None. How many times did Russia invade an East European country? Twice. Hungary and Czechoslovakia.

So the Europeans know that Russia is the real imperialist. It imposed itself by force. That’s why Eastern Europe joined NATO
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Kerch (ie Crimean ) bridge pose serious threat to Ukrai

Post by cassowary » Tue May 17, 2022 11:27 pm

Kerch Bridge has become a serious threat to Ukraine's security
According to Oleksandr Turchinov, Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, Russia's construction of a bridge across the Kerch Strait in the occupied by it Crimea, created a number of serious threats and means of pressure on Ukraine, the key one is the threat to the security of the Ukrainian state.

"Because of the bridge, now it is possible to transfer significant forces of the land forces of the Russian Federation to the Crimea quickly, and wage further offensive operations in the south of Ukraine", O.Turchynov told Interfax-Ukraine in an exclusive interview.

At the same time, the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine noted that the occupied Crimea is already militarized by Russia to the highest extend possible.

"A powerful 22nd Army Corps was raised there, and the capabilities of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation are growing. Missile complexes located in the Crimea can strike our positions in the deep rear. The S-400 anti-aircraft systems can hit any air target in the central part of Ukraine. All this is a serious threat for us", - he stressed.
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Re: Should Ukraine destroy the Crimean Bridge?

Post by Sertorio » Wed May 18, 2022 1:29 am

neverfail wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 5:37 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 9:43 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 7:36 am

More broadly, though, the US is there because (other than you) Europeans want them there. Russia is not there because no one (but you) wants Russian troops marching down their streets.
Europe has three times the population of Russia and is a lot richer, but while Russia is a major military power capable of facing the US, Europe needs the US military in order to defend itself... Doesn't that strike you as odd?
Not at all odd Sertorio. As occasional poster Alexis (himself technically a "European" by virtue of being a Frenchman) once put it: "there is no country called Europe." Enough said!
NATO is not a country, either. As an union of free states, the European Union could easily take over Europe's defense needs. The EU treaty allows for it. If it doesn't happen it's because the European political apparatus has submitted itself to the interests of the US. Hopefully Europeans will wake up and decide they want to be free from outside influence, starting with the US. Personally I am sick and tired of seeing the US decide what Europe may or may not do. I am sick and tired of seeing Europe involved in American wars meant to defend American interests.

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