Ukraine pushes Russians back from Kharkiv towards the border

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Re: Ukraine pushes Russians back from Kharkiv towards the border

Post by cassowary » Thu May 12, 2022 7:46 pm

Doc wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 6:09 pm
cassowary wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 4:54 pm
Doc wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 9:17 am
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Thu May 12, 2022 9:11 am


seems like it is turning into a rout
Rout is too strong a word.
Not along that portion of the front. They have been pushed back to the Russian border.

I see. It’s NATO weapons that gave Ukraine the advantage. What worries me is that Putin might use nukes if the west don’t stop supplying Ukraine with weapons.
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Re: Ukraine pushes Russians back from Kharkiv towards the border

Post by cassowary » Thu May 12, 2022 8:38 pm

neverfail wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 6:52 pm
cassowary wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 5:25 pm
neverfail wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 3:21 pm
Milo wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 10:31 am
Apparently the Ukrainian forces are not just retaking towns but this could lead to them threatening Russian supply lines… to Russia’s eastern campaign!
Unfortunately, Ukraine is fighting a purely defensive war within its own bounds. No country can hope to win a defensive war like that. The two obvious outcomes are either defeat or stalemate. Ukraine lacks the weight of both manpower and war production to vanquish Russia.

Ukraine can win battles on merit all right but as long as Russia persists it will ultimately wear down Ukrainian opposition.

Putin is nothing if not determined to win - regardless of cost.
Ukraine ‘s war production is augmented by NATO. Here they have an advantage because NATO ‘s war production is far greater than Russia’s. Russia wants to conquer Ukraine, a far greater task than merely defending Ukraine. You need a three to one advantage in men and weaponry for an attacker to be sure of victory.
I am not denying any of that Cass, except that NATO is not currently geared up for war whereas Russia is: and Putin has not yet mobilized the full extent of his country's war making potential; such of the millions of reservists who have over recent years undergone basic military training and only need to be put back in uniform and armed to become soldiers.

As I mentioned, Putin is a determined brute. Do you believe that NATO will ever match him in resolve?
No. NATO will not match him in resolve. But Ukraine will more than match Russian conscripts. The only thing for Nato to do is to keep Ukraine supplied.

Russia threatens nuclear war if west don’t stop supplying Ukraine. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-ne ... g-weapons/.

Putin knows that with western supplies of weapons, Ukraine may win. That’s why it threatens to go nuclear if the west doesn’t stop.
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Re: Ukraine pushes Russians back from Kharkiv towards the border

Post by neverfail » Thu May 12, 2022 10:42 pm

neverfail wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 6:52 pm
As I mentioned, Putin is a determined brute. Do you believe that NATO will ever match him in resolve?
cassowary wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 8:38 pm
No. NATO will not match him in resolve. But Ukraine will more than match Russian conscripts. The only thing for Nato to do is to keep Ukraine supplied.
I have no doubt about the gallantry of Ukraine's fighting men or the morale problem in Russian ranks. The trouble I foresee is that Ukraine will run out of fit men of fighting age before Russia will.
Russia threatens nuclear war if west don’t stop supplying Ukraine. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-ne ... g-weapons/.
This is not the first time that Russia has threatened thermonuclear war - without naming who it would wage it against, Ukraine or the NATO block. Do you believe that they are in earnest?
Putin knows that with western supplies of weapons, Ukraine may win. That’s why it threatens to go nuclear if the west doesn’t stop.
Western "experts" :?: say "Ukraine may win" without defining what winning actually means. By what benchmark standard can they judge when Ukraine has "won"? Will it be when Putin waves a white flag of surrender? Frankly I believe they might be talking out of their backsides.

Putin I believe will go to any length to avoid humiliation: even inaugurate World War 3 - and then we are all in trouble.

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Re: Ukraine pushes Russians back from Kharkiv towards the border

Post by Doc » Fri May 13, 2022 12:04 am

cassowary wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 7:46 pm
Doc wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 6:09 pm
cassowary wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 4:54 pm
Doc wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 9:17 am
cassowary wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 9:11 am


seems like it is turning into a rout
Rout is too strong a word.
Not along that portion of the front. They have been pushed back to the Russian border.

I see. It’s NATO weapons that gave Ukraine the advantage. What worries me is that Putin might use nukes if the west don’t stop supplying Ukraine with weapons.
If Putin thinks using Nukes will keep him alive and in power he will use nukes. Given the performance and state of the Russian army the US may end up with more nuclear missiles by the end of that war than it started with.

Seriously I have the same objections to this war that I always did WW3 being one of them.

The real enemy is China. Everything the Democrats and government seem to want is bad for the US so maybe China has already taken over.
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Re: Ukraine pushes Russians back from Kharkiv towards the border

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I hope the real members of this board will come back and replace the first graders who have abusively replaced them in the last couple of weeks... :D

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Re: Ukraine pushes Russians back from Kharkiv towards the border

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neverfail wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 10:42 pm


Western "experts" :?: say "Ukraine may win" without defining what winning actually means. By what benchmark standard can they judge when Ukraine has "won"?
When Ukraine push Russia out of the Donbass.
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Re: Ukraine pushes Russians back from Kharkiv towards the border

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Sertorio wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 1:04 am
I hope the real members of this board will come back and replace the first graders who have abusively replaced them in the last couple of weeks... :D
???
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Re: Ukraine pushes Russians back from Kharkiv towards the border

Post by Sertorio » Fri May 13, 2022 1:34 am

cassowary wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 1:12 am
Sertorio wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 1:04 am
I hope the real members of this board will come back and replace the first graders who have abusively replaced them in the last couple of weeks... :D
???
Your arguments and reasoning are first-grade level... :D

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Re: Ukraine pushes Russians back from Kharkiv towards the border

Post by cassowary » Fri May 13, 2022 1:54 am

Sertorio wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 1:34 am
cassowary wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 1:12 am
Sertorio wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 1:04 am
I hope the real members of this board will come back and replace the first graders who have abusively replaced them in the last couple of weeks... :D
???
Your arguments and reasoning are first-grade level... :D

I think my arguments are really first class. You usually don't have a good reply.
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Re: Ukraine pushes Russians back from Kharkiv towards the border

Post by Milo » Fri May 13, 2022 6:56 am

cassowary wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 1:54 am
Sertorio wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 1:34 am
cassowary wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 1:12 am
Sertorio wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 1:04 am
I hope the real members of this board will come back and replace the first graders who have abusively replaced them in the last couple of weeks... :D
???
Your arguments and reasoning are first-grade level... :D

I think my arguments are really first class. You usually don't have a good reply.
Nothing like a constant stream of ad hominems to demonstrate maturity!

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