From you, of course. You are the one who just told me that Marx was not the first to believe that capital oppresses the workers. The workers would have realized it before he did. Let me try to find your exact words:neverfail wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:53 pmCass; how do you bloody-well know what the average worker believes? You have never given me the impression that you have ever mixed much with these. At least never enough to develop empathy with working people. You are probably unaware of it but virtually every one of your posts that I have ever read is literally steeped in class prejudice.
neverfail wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:34 pm
I question whether Marx "gave birth" to that idea at all. In his day there would have been no shortage of workers and even some middle class sympathizers who had already arrived at the same conclusion.cassowary wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:21 pm
The idea Marx gave birth to was that the capitalists exploit the working class. The owners, through their firms, get rich out of the labor of the workers.
You forget that the employer is also suffering from losses or at least reduced profit. Both are suffering if they don't beat the competition. You don't see the whole picture and only see things from the employee's point of view.Herein lies the rub cassowary - the competition! When the going gets tough and the management looks for cost-cutting measures, the capitalist/employer's temptation is to screw the workers by making at least some redundant; putting others on shorter hours and/or reducing hourly pay rates. In all cases it means an oftentimes tragic loss of income to employees. The typical free enterprise business in a Western country is still structured like an old fashioned absolute monarchy (i.e. a royal tyranny where the boss is King Shit) and not (as your post romantically alludes to) a co-operative commonwealth where both the risks and rewards are equably shared.
Need I say any more?
Such an attitude means the employer suffer losses while the employee suffers none of the hardship. It is only fair that both suffer together during bad times because his capital enables him to create jobs for the employees.
Both employer and employee must suffer together the bad times and enjoy together during the good times. You can see that with the tax cuts, many employers are sharing the good times with their employees. Walmart is the latest company to announce a bonus and a raise in pay. They are doing this out of business necessity.
If not, their employees run away to more generous employers. So capitalisms is a good way to distribute growing wealth. Focus on growing wealth and not class warfare. To do that, both employer (ie the capitalist) and the employee must unite to beat the competition. The more profitable the company, the more they can afford to pay their employees.