Finland wants to join NATO. Putin issues threat, launched cyberattack and breached airspace

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Re: Finland wants to join NATO. Putin issues threat, launched cyberattack and breached airspace

Post by cassowary » Sat May 14, 2022 4:42 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 4:32 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 2:41 pm
neverfail wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 2:26 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 10:29 am
You need unanimity by present members in order to accept new members. If Turkey says no, it will be no.
Then the other members should jointly expel Turkey.
Which would be most welcome by Russia...
It would, actually, and especially so given Erdogan's early, significant provision to Ukraine of genuinely useful military materiel.
Pressure can be placed on Turkey to give way without expulsion.
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Re: Finland wants to join NATO. Putin issues threat, launched cyberattack and breached airspace

Post by SteveFoerster » Sat May 14, 2022 5:42 pm

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Pressure can be placed on Turkey to give way without expulsion.
This is the way.
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Re: Finland wants to join NATO. Putin issues threat, launched cyberattack and breached airspace

Post by cassowary » Sat May 14, 2022 7:54 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 5:42 pm
cassowary wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 4:42 pm
Pressure can be placed on Turkey to give way without expulsion.
This is the way.
Turkey is having economic difficulties. So they need help. There must be some way the west can exert pressure.
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Re: Finland wants to join NATO. Putin issues threat, launched cyberattack and breached airspace

Post by neverfail » Sat May 14, 2022 11:46 pm

cassowary wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 7:54 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 5:42 pm
cassowary wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 4:42 pm
Pressure can be placed on Turkey to give way without expulsion.
This is the way.
Turkey is having economic difficulties. So they need help. There must be some way the west can exert pressure.
Turkey also has a decades old secessionist revolt taking place in its hinterland. Which issue takes precedence?

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Re: Finland wants to join NATO. Putin issues threat, launched cyberattack and breached airspace

Post by Sertorio » Sun May 15, 2022 1:32 am

cassowary wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 7:54 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 5:42 pm
cassowary wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 4:42 pm
Pressure can be placed on Turkey to give way without expulsion.
This is the way.
Turkey is having economic difficulties. So they need help. There must be some way the west can exert pressure.
Typical western way of thinking. You don't try to understand other people's motives or grievances. You exert pressure... That's why the west will be defeated in the Ukraine and why most of the world refuses to follow US sanctions against Russia. You will never learn, so your butt must be kicked very hard...

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Re: Finland wants to join NATO. Putin issues threat, launched cyberattack and breached airspace

Post by cassowary » Sun May 15, 2022 2:52 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 1:32 am
cassowary wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 7:54 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 5:42 pm
cassowary wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 4:42 pm
Pressure can be placed on Turkey to give way without expulsion.
This is the way.
Turkey is having economic difficulties. So they need help. There must be some way the west can exert pressure.
Typical western way of thinking. You don't try to understand other people's motives or grievances. You exert pressure... That's why the west will be defeated in the Ukraine and why most of the world refuses to follow US sanctions against Russia. You will never learn, so your butt must be kicked very hard...
The one most ruthless in exerting pressure is Putin. He didn't want Ukraine to join NATO. So he exerted pressure by invading. What I had in mind with Turkey is this. They need help. So in exchange for help, they must agree to SWeden and Finland joining NATO.
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Re: Finland wants to join NATO. Putin issues threat, launched cyberattack and breached airspace

Post by Sertorio » Sun May 15, 2022 4:45 am

cassowary wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 2:52 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 1:32 am
cassowary wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 7:54 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 5:42 pm
cassowary wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 4:42 pm
Pressure can be placed on Turkey to give way without expulsion.
This is the way.
Turkey is having economic difficulties. So they need help. There must be some way the west can exert pressure.
Typical western way of thinking. You don't try to understand other people's motives or grievances. You exert pressure... That's why the west will be defeated in the Ukraine and why most of the world refuses to follow US sanctions against Russia. You will never learn, so your butt must be kicked very hard...
The one most ruthless in exerting pressure is Putin. He didn't want Ukraine to join NATO. So he exerted pressure by invading. What I had in mind with Turkey is this. They need help. So in exchange for help, they must agree to SWeden and Finland joining NATO.
One thing is exerting pressure when one's security is at risk, another thing is doing it in the pursuit of imperial designs...

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Re: Finland wants to join NATO. Putin issues threat, launched cyberattack and breached airspace

Post by cassowary » Sun May 15, 2022 4:58 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 4:45 am
cassowary wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 2:52 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 1:32 am
cassowary wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 7:54 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 5:42 pm
cassowary wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 4:42 pm
Pressure can be placed on Turkey to give way without expulsion.
This is the way.
Turkey is having economic difficulties. So they need help. There must be some way the west can exert pressure.
Typical western way of thinking. You don't try to understand other people's motives or grievances. You exert pressure... That's why the west will be defeated in the Ukraine and why most of the world refuses to follow US sanctions against Russia. You will never learn, so your butt must be kicked very hard...
The one most ruthless in exerting pressure is Putin. He didn't want Ukraine to join NATO. So he exerted pressure by invading. What I had in mind with Turkey is this. They need help. So in exchange for help, they must agree to SWeden and Finland joining NATO.
One thing is exerting pressure when one's security is at risk, another thing is doing it in the pursuit of imperial designs...
Isn’t Putin attack on Ukraine in the pursuit of imperial design? He wants a new Russian empire.
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Re: Finland wants to join NATO. Putin issues threat, launched cyberattack and breached airspace

Post by Sertorio » Sun May 15, 2022 8:17 am

cassowary wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 4:58 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 4:45 am
cassowary wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 2:52 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 1:32 am
cassowary wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 7:54 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 5:42 pm

This is the way.
Turkey is having economic difficulties. So they need help. There must be some way the west can exert pressure.
Typical western way of thinking. You don't try to understand other people's motives or grievances. You exert pressure... That's why the west will be defeated in the Ukraine and why most of the world refuses to follow US sanctions against Russia. You will never learn, so your butt must be kicked very hard...
The one most ruthless in exerting pressure is Putin. He didn't want Ukraine to join NATO. So he exerted pressure by invading. What I had in mind with Turkey is this. They need help. So in exchange for help, they must agree to SWeden and Finland joining NATO.
One thing is exerting pressure when one's security is at risk, another thing is doing it in the pursuit of imperial designs...
Isn’t Putin attack on Ukraine in the pursuit of imperial design? He wants a new Russian empire.
Be wise. Putin does not need a new Russian empire. All he wants is for other countries to leave Russia alone. Stop trying to subdue Russia and Russia will stop reacting. But the US was scared stiff of Europe and Russia getting together, which would put an end to the American dominance over Europe. And so the Ukraine had to be sacrificed to force Europe to split away from Russia. Now Europe and the US will have to pay the price for their aggression.

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Re: Finland wants to join NATO. Putin issues threat, launched cyberattack and breached airspace

Post by cassowary » Sun May 15, 2022 9:28 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 8:17 am
cassowary wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 4:58 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 4:45 am
cassowary wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 2:52 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 1:32 am
cassowary wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 7:54 pm


Turkey is having economic difficulties. So they need help. There must be some way the west can exert pressure.
Typical western way of thinking. You don't try to understand other people's motives or grievances. You exert pressure... That's why the west will be defeated in the Ukraine and why most of the world refuses to follow US sanctions against Russia. You will never learn, so your butt must be kicked very hard...
The one most ruthless in exerting pressure is Putin. He didn't want Ukraine to join NATO. So he exerted pressure by invading. What I had in mind with Turkey is this. They need help. So in exchange for help, they must agree to SWeden and Finland joining NATO.
One thing is exerting pressure when one's security is at risk, another thing is doing it in the pursuit of imperial designs...
Isn’t Putin attack on Ukraine in the pursuit of imperial design? He wants a new Russian empire.
Be wise. Putin does not need a new Russian empire. All he wants is for other countries to leave Russia alone. Stop trying to subdue Russia and Russia will stop reacting. But the US was scared stiff of Europe and Russia getting together, which would put an end to the American dominance over Europe. And so the Ukraine had to be sacrificed to force Europe to split away from Russia. Now Europe and the US will have to pay the price for their aggression.
You are talking a lot of rubbish, Sertorio. America is not trying to dominate Europe. America is protecting Europe from Russia. The aggressor is Russia.
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