Finland wants to join NATO. Putin issues threat, launched cyberattack and breached airspace

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Re: Finland wants to join NATO. Putin issues threat, launched cyberattack and breached airspace

Post by Sertorio » Fri May 13, 2022 10:55 am

NATO member against Sweden and Finland in bloc
https://www.rt.com/news/555455-turkey-s ... sion-nato/

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan declared on Friday that Ankara opposes the possibility of Sweden and Finland’s accession to NATO because he believes the two Scandinavian nations harbor ‘terrorists’.

By ‘terrorists’, the Turkish leader meant militants of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), a separatist movement operating in southeastern Turkey, and members of the Revolutionary People’s Liberation Front (DHKP/C), an outlawed Turkish communist party.

The statement came after Helsinki and Stockholm demonstrated their intention to join the US-led military alliance.

“We are currently following the developments regarding Sweden and Finland [joining NATO], but we are not favorable towards it. At this point, it is not possible for us to have a positive approach,” the Turkish president told journalists.

“Scandinavian countries are unfortunately almost like guesthouses for terrorist organizations. PKK and DHKP/C are nested in Sweden and the Netherlands. And I'm going even further, in their parliaments,” he added.
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Re: Finland wants to join NATO. Putin issues threat, launched cyberattack and breached airspace

Post by neverfail » Fri May 13, 2022 3:51 pm

NATO member against Sweden and Finland in bloc
https://www.rt.com/news/555455-turkey-s ... sion-nato/

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan declared on Friday that Ankara opposes the possibility of Sweden and Finland’s accession to NATO because he believes the two Scandinavian nations harbor ‘terrorists’.

By ‘terrorists’, the Turkish leader meant militants of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), a separatist movement operating in southeastern Turkey, and members of the Revolutionary People’s Liberation Front (DHKP/C), an outlawed Turkish communist party.
From what I understand, I don't blame the Kurds for wanting a separate national sovereignty to Turkey.
For steadfastness would place Sweden and Finland way ahead of Turkey.

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Re: Finland wants to join NATO. Putin issues threat, launched cyberattack and breached airspace

Post by Milo » Fri May 13, 2022 5:42 pm

neverfail wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 3:51 pm
NATO member against Sweden and Finland in bloc
https://www.rt.com/news/555455-turkey-s ... sion-nato/

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan declared on Friday that Ankara opposes the possibility of Sweden and Finland’s accession to NATO because he believes the two Scandinavian nations harbor ‘terrorists’.

By ‘terrorists’, the Turkish leader meant militants of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), a separatist movement operating in southeastern Turkey, and members of the Revolutionary People’s Liberation Front (DHKP/C), an outlawed Turkish communist party.
From what I understand, I don't blame the Kurds for wanting a separate national sovereignty to Turkey.
For steadfastness would place Sweden and Finland way ahead of Turkey.
Unless Turkey can improve its human rights situation NATO might be better off without it.

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Re: Finland wants to join NATO. Putin issues threat, launched cyberattack and breached airspace

Post by Sertorio » Sat May 14, 2022 1:06 am

neverfail wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 3:51 pm
NATO member against Sweden and Finland in bloc
https://www.rt.com/news/555455-turkey-s ... sion-nato/

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan declared on Friday that Ankara opposes the possibility of Sweden and Finland’s accession to NATO because he believes the two Scandinavian nations harbor ‘terrorists’.

By ‘terrorists’, the Turkish leader meant militants of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), a separatist movement operating in southeastern Turkey, and members of the Revolutionary People’s Liberation Front (DHKP/C), an outlawed Turkish communist party.
From what I understand, I don't blame the Kurds for wanting a separate national sovereignty to Turkey.
For steadfastness would place Sweden and Finland way ahead of Turkey.
That's not the issue. The issue is that being unhappy with Sweden's and Finland's assistance to the Kurds, Turkey may very well veto their accession to NATO. If they do, forget about those countries joining NATO...

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Re: Finland wants to join NATO. Putin issues threat, launched cyberattack and breached airspace

Post by neverfail » Sat May 14, 2022 3:49 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 1:06 am
That's not the issue. The issue is that being unhappy with Sweden's and Finland's assistance to the Kurds, Turkey may very well veto their accession to NATO. If they do, forget about those countries joining NATO...

I tried to Google up a reference to the Swedish or Finnish governments actively aiding and abetting the Kurdish Pesh Merga insurgency in eastern Turkey and could find no reference to it. Cyberspace has been flooded with news of Erdogan's opposition to these two joining NATO: not whether that opposition is morally justified.

If truth be known it is more likely that Sweden and Finland have merely provided sanctuary and refuge to Kurdish dissidents who would otherwise likely have been subjected to persecution by the Turkish state had they remained in Turkey; and Erdogan wants to get his hands on them.

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Re: Finland wants to join NATO. Putin issues threat, launched cyberattack and breached airspace

Post by cassowary » Sat May 14, 2022 7:41 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 1:06 am
neverfail wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 3:51 pm
NATO member against Sweden and Finland in bloc
https://www.rt.com/news/555455-turkey-s ... sion-nato/

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan declared on Friday that Ankara opposes the possibility of Sweden and Finland’s accession to NATO because he believes the two Scandinavian nations harbor ‘terrorists’.

By ‘terrorists’, the Turkish leader meant militants of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), a separatist movement operating in southeastern Turkey, and members of the Revolutionary People’s Liberation Front (DHKP/C), an outlawed Turkish communist party.
From what I understand, I don't blame the Kurds for wanting a separate national sovereignty to Turkey.
For steadfastness would place Sweden and Finland way ahead of Turkey.
That's not the issue. The issue is that being unhappy with Sweden's and Finland's assistance to the Kurds, Turkey may very well veto their accession to NATO. If they do, forget about those countries joining NATO...
The two Nordics will eventually join NATO despite Turkey.
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Re: Finland wants to join NATO. Putin issues threat, launched cyberattack and breached airspace

Post by Sertorio » Sat May 14, 2022 10:29 am

cassowary wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 7:41 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 1:06 am
neverfail wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 3:51 pm
NATO member against Sweden and Finland in bloc
https://www.rt.com/news/555455-turkey-s ... sion-nato/

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan declared on Friday that Ankara opposes the possibility of Sweden and Finland’s accession to NATO because he believes the two Scandinavian nations harbor ‘terrorists’.

By ‘terrorists’, the Turkish leader meant militants of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), a separatist movement operating in southeastern Turkey, and members of the Revolutionary People’s Liberation Front (DHKP/C), an outlawed Turkish communist party.
From what I understand, I don't blame the Kurds for wanting a separate national sovereignty to Turkey.
For steadfastness would place Sweden and Finland way ahead of Turkey.
That's not the issue. The issue is that being unhappy with Sweden's and Finland's assistance to the Kurds, Turkey may very well veto their accession to NATO. If they do, forget about those countries joining NATO...
The two Nordics will eventually join NATO despite Turkey.
You need unanimity by present members in order to accept new members. If Turkey says no, it will be no.

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Re: Finland wants to join NATO. Putin issues threat, launched cyberattack and breached airspace

Post by neverfail » Sat May 14, 2022 2:26 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 10:29 am
You need unanimity by present members in order to accept new members. If Turkey says no, it will be no.
Then the other members should jointly expel Turkey.

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Re: Finland wants to join NATO. Putin issues threat, launched cyberattack and breached airspace

Post by Sertorio » Sat May 14, 2022 2:41 pm

neverfail wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 2:26 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 10:29 am
You need unanimity by present members in order to accept new members. If Turkey says no, it will be no.
Then the other members should jointly expel Turkey.
Which would be most welcome by Russia...

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Re: Finland wants to join NATO. Putin issues threat, launched cyberattack and breached airspace

Post by SteveFoerster » Sat May 14, 2022 4:32 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 2:41 pm
neverfail wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 2:26 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 10:29 am
You need unanimity by present members in order to accept new members. If Turkey says no, it will be no.
Then the other members should jointly expel Turkey.
Which would be most welcome by Russia...
It would, actually, and especially so given Erdogan's early, significant provision to Ukraine of genuinely useful military materiel.
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