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What Happened in Geneva?

Post by Sertorio » Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:56 pm

What, if anything, happened in Geneva?
by Andrei
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There are no official results from the meeting in Geneva yet. The US has promised to give the Russians an official answer in writing within a week. The Russians have declared that they have explained the Russian position to their US counterparts in minute details leaving no ambiguity. According to Russian sources, the US position was a “diehard/stubborn” one.

Clearly, the War Party in the USA is, at least so far, prevailing. When I listen to the delusional statements of the likes of Blinken, Psaki, Kirby & Co I get the strong feeling that for these people everything is a zero-sum game and that to them an agreement with Russia, any agreement, is simply unthinkable.

If so, then this is all good news. Frankly, it is pretty clear that the War Party has won the day, at least so far, which leaves Russia no other option that to take further unilateral actions which is, I believe, the only way left for Russia to bring the leaders of the West back into the real world.

There are still further talks planned, with the Russia-NATO council and the OSCE. Never say never and maybe a last minute breakthrough is possible, but I personally don’t see how that could happen, not when one of the two parties is absolutely, maniacally, determined to treat the other as some kind of semi-savage inferior race with whom no civilized western leaders will ever negotiate. The western diplomatic toolkit has shrunk to basically the following:

- Exceptionalism, messianism, racism and self-worship.
- Threats and imposition of sanctions for “bad behavior” like a teacher would punish a grade-school kid for being rowdy and not listening to the teacher.
- A total belief in both the West invincibility and invulnerability no matter what the “real reality” actually is.
- A total categorical refusal to admit, even by implication, that the world has profoundly changed and that the Anglosphere does not “rule the waves” anymore.


There is only one thing Russia can do to bring the leaders of the West back to reality: to turn up what I call the “pain dial”.

In the meantime, the Russian military has declared that it hopes to leave Kazakhstan within a week, but only if/when the situation in this country is fully stabilized.

President Tokaev has said that the CSTO forces withdrawal will being in 48 hours and will last no more than 10 days. I hope that he is right.

However, it will take months for Kazakhstan and Russia to deal with the insurgents, especially in the West and South of Kazakhstan. But that would already be a mopping-up operation which Russia and Kazakhstan can coordinate on a bilateral basis without any need to involve the CSTO.

For the time, we have to wait and see what actually happens in the next few days, things should become much clearer.

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Re: What Happened in Geneva?

Post by neverfail » Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:38 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:56 pm
What, if anything, happened in Geneva?
by Andrei
https://thesaker.is/what-if-anything-ha ... in-geneva/

There are no official results from the meeting in Geneva yet. The US has promised to give the Russians an official answer in writing within a week. The Russians have declared that they have explained the Russian position to their US counterparts in minute details leaving no ambiguity. According to Russian sources, the US position was a “diehard/stubborn” one.
In other words the Americans did not give Putin what he really wanted: a green light to go ahead and invade the Ukraine.

Good!

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Re: What Happened in Geneva?

Post by Sertorio » Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:30 pm

neverfail wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:38 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:56 pm
What, if anything, happened in Geneva?
by Andrei
https://thesaker.is/what-if-anything-ha ... in-geneva/

There are no official results from the meeting in Geneva yet. The US has promised to give the Russians an official answer in writing within a week. The Russians have declared that they have explained the Russian position to their US counterparts in minute details leaving no ambiguity. According to Russian sources, the US position was a “diehard/stubborn” one.
In other words the Americans did not give Putin what he really wanted: a green light to go ahead and invade the Ukraine.

Good!
Putin does not want to invade the Ukraine. He wants a neutral Ukraine. And he is going to get it, one way or the other...

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Re: What Happened in Geneva?

Post by neverfail » Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:02 am

Sertorio wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:30 pm
Putin does not want to invade the Ukraine. .
Then he should prove it by withdrawing all Ressian troops from the vicinity.

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Re: What Happened in Geneva?

Post by Sertorio » Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:12 am

neverfail wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:02 am
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:30 pm
Putin does not want to invade the Ukraine. .
Then he should prove it by withdrawing all Ressian troops from the vicinity.
Russian troops may be anywhere they wish within the borders of Russia. Trying to limit that power is of course unacceptable. Those troops are there to respond to any aggressive action by the Ukraine against the Donbass peoples.

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Re: What Happened in Geneva?

Post by SteveFoerster » Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:57 am

Sertorio wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:12 am
Russian troops may be anywhere they wish within the borders of Russia.
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:12 am
Those troops are there to respond to any aggressive action by the Ukraine against the Donbass peoples.
Pick one.
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