Russia shows no sign of retreat on invading Ukraine

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Russia shows no sign of retreat on invading Ukraine

Post by neverfail » Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:52 am

https://asiatimes.com/2021/12/russia-sh ... g-ukraine/

If it comes to war, a likely date for a Russian invasion comes down to the weather, according to Air Force Times, an independent defense publication: Next month, probably, when swampy land in eastern Ukraine “will freeze … making it easy for Russian tanks to roll in.”

:o (It is not just the Russian winter weather that chills you.)

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Re: Russia shows no sign of retreat on invading Ukraine

Post by cassowary » Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:36 pm

neverfail wrote:
Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:52 am
https://asiatimes.com/2021/12/russia-sh ... g-ukraine/

If it comes to war, a likely date for a Russian invasion comes down to the weather, according to Air Force Times, an independent defense publication: Next month, probably, when swampy land in eastern Ukraine “will freeze … making it easy for Russian tanks to roll in.”

:o (It is not just the Russian winter weather that chills you.)
China wants to invade Taiwan. Russia wants to invade Ukraine. Can America protect both? EU must step up its defence spending. Japan and Germany must develop a nuclear deterrent. Same for Ukraine and Taiwan.

On the economic front, move the supply chains away from China.
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Re: Russia shows no sign of retreat on invading Ukraine

Post by neverfail » Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:59 am

cassowary wrote:
Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:36 pm
neverfail wrote:
Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:52 am
https://asiatimes.com/2021/12/russia-sh ... g-ukraine/

If it comes to war, a likely date for a Russian invasion comes down to the weather, according to Air Force Times, an independent defense publication: Next month, probably, when swampy land in eastern Ukraine “will freeze … making it easy for Russian tanks to roll in.”

:o (It is not just the Russian winter weather that chills you.)
China wants to invade Taiwan. Russia wants to invade Ukraine. Can America protect both? EU must step up its defence spending. Japan and Germany must develop a nuclear deterrent. Same for Ukraine and Taiwan.

On the economic front, move the supply chains away from China.
Cass, I doubt whether the USA would have the political willpower to protect both or even one of them: not because of the present incumbent administration but because of the broad constituency that any government has to answer to in the USA. (Which moves me to wonder just how much of current US diplomacy on these two matters are pure bluff). Bear in mind that it took a flagrant attack on a US military installation on US territory by a foreign power in 1941 to snap the USA out of its old isolationism and bring it into the Second World War. While it seems that President Roosevelt was himself favourable to the US entering the war as a British ally public opinion at large, the mass media and their Houses of Congress were all opposed: uniil the Pearl Harbour bombing. Then a spirit of righteous indignation, a thirst for vengeance, seized control of American society at all levels.

After Pearl Harbour, with the change of public mood this brought about, no incumbent US government would have dared abstain from issuing a declaration of war.

(Your stock explanation as to why the US lost the Vietnam War after nearly losing the Korean War a decade earlier is the rise of the left within - and I have tried to convince you to no avail that it was not true - that this is just a figment of your imagination. The USA has never done much good in any subsequent war because absent in all of them has been the same spirit of righteous endeavour that American society must have been steeped in following the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbour. Instead, in the case of Vietnam, US soldiers were seen - and caught on the tV news cameras - burning down apparently defenceless Vietnamese rural villages and doing other atrocities so this was not a case of foreignors attacking the USA but of Americans attacking foreignors: with the consequence that American righteous indignation turned inward against the USA itself.)
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As I see it as long as Russia and China avoid arousing the tiger in the USA in like manner they could likely get away with it; without the risk of serious US military opposition. If Russia were to gain the eastern Ukraine via military invasion and annexation and the PRC likewise Raiwan it would be a setback for American prestige worldwide but that is all that it would be. Neither would place the USA in jeopardy on its home turf (It is worth when debating US foreign policy to never lose sightm of that)/

As for Germany or Japan moving to become nuclear armed, perish the thought. Why do you think that France went to the expense and trouble of becoming a nuclear armed power in the first place? No, it was not out of concern about the Soviet Union - they were content to leaving that to the USA to handle. It was to put their country in a position to reduce their Teutonic neighbour to radioactive slag should the need arise: should Germany show renewed interest in being militaristic. If you live in a country like France that was invaded three times in succession over the course of a century by the same powerful neighbour it - sort of - changes your perspective on things like that.

Likewise China viz Japan. Do you believe that at the first sign of Japan nuclear arming itself that China, with memories like the rape of Nanking behind it that the PRC would not launch a pre-emptive thermo-nuclear strike on the old aggressor of yore just to play safe?

Knowing this the leadership pf both germany and Japan would need to have a mass suicidal urge to turn their countries nuclear.

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Re: Russia shows no sign of retreat on invading Ukraine

Post by Sertorio » Sat Dec 18, 2021 2:28 am

cassowary wrote:
Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:36 pm
neverfail wrote:
Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:52 am
https://asiatimes.com/2021/12/russia-sh ... g-ukraine/

If it comes to war, a likely date for a Russian invasion comes down to the weather, according to Air Force Times, an independent defense publication: Next month, probably, when swampy land in eastern Ukraine “will freeze … making it easy for Russian tanks to roll in.”

:o (It is not just the Russian winter weather that chills you.)
China wants to invade Taiwan. Russia wants to invade Ukraine. Can America protect both? EU must step up its defence spending. Japan and Germany must develop a nuclear deterrent. Same for Ukraine and Taiwan.

On the economic front, move the supply chains away from China.
You do live in a fantasy world, don't you?... :shock:

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Re: Russia shows no sign of retreat on invading Ukraine

Post by cassowary » Fri Dec 24, 2021 12:41 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Dec 18, 2021 2:28 am
cassowary wrote:
Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:36 pm
neverfail wrote:
Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:52 am
https://asiatimes.com/2021/12/russia-sh ... g-ukraine/

If it comes to war, a likely date for a Russian invasion comes down to the weather, according to Air Force Times, an independent defense publication: Next month, probably, when swampy land in eastern Ukraine “will freeze … making it easy for Russian tanks to roll in.”

:o (It is not just the Russian winter weather that chills you.)
China wants to invade Taiwan. Russia wants to invade Ukraine. Can America protect both? EU must step up its defence spending. Japan and Germany must develop a nuclear deterrent. Same for Ukraine and Taiwan.

On the economic front, move the supply chains away from China.
You do live in a fantasy world, don't you?... :shock:

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Its you who are living in a fantasy world.
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Re: Russia shows no sign of retreat on invading Ukraine

Post by neverfail » Fri Dec 24, 2021 12:53 pm

Putin, it seems, is so dim that he cannot visualise any relationship between his country and the ukraine as anything but one in which the latter is a vassal to the former -

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/does ... ently-not/

.....as though Ukrainians would willingly want to regress to becoming part of a restored Tsarist Russian Empire or USSR.

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Re: Russia shows no sign of retreat on invading Ukraine

Post by Sertorio » Fri Dec 24, 2021 4:47 pm

neverfail wrote:
Fri Dec 24, 2021 12:53 pm
Putin, it seems, is so dim that he cannot visualise any relationship between his country and the ukraine as anything but one in which the latter is a vassal to the former -

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/does ... ently-not/

.....as though Ukrainians would willingly want to regress to becoming part of a restored Tsarist Russian Empire or USSR.
Putin may be many things, but dim is definitely not one of them...That's why he doesn't want the Ukraine to be again part of Russia, but he refuses to have it transformed into a missile platform against Russia...

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Re: Russia shows no sign of retreat on invading Ukraine

Post by Sertorio » Sun Dec 26, 2021 10:42 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
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Because the issues in respect of Abkhazia, Crimea, or the Donbass had nothing to do with East Europe...

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