Boycotts Against China

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Re: Boycotts Against China

Post by neverfail » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:58 am

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By the way. Portugal was not neutral in WWI. And while the US will not invade us, it can seriously harm our legitimate interests.
"NOT neutral" you say? Then on whose side did your country's armed forces fight during WW2 Sertorio?

Come on! Stop telling us fairy-tales.

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Re: Boycotts Against China

Post by Sertorio » Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:14 am

neverfail wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:58 am
Sertorio wrote:
Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:12 am
By the way. Portugal was not neutral in WWI. And while the US will not invade us, it can seriously harm our legitimate interests.
"NOT neutral" you say? Then on whose side did your country's armed forces fight during WW2 Sertorio?

Come on! Stop telling us fairy-tales.
I said WWI - World War One!...

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Re: Boycotts Against China

Post by neverfail » Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:22 am

Sertorio wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:14 am
neverfail wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:58 am
Sertorio wrote:
Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:12 am
By the way. Portugal was not neutral in WWI. And while the US will not invade us, it can seriously harm our legitimate interests.
"NOT neutral" you say? Then on whose side did your country's armed forces fight during WW2 Sertorio?

Come on! Stop telling us fairy-tales.
I said WWI - World War One!...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal_ ... orld_War_I

I did not know about that. Spain remained neutral so it was natural for me to presume that Spain's smaller Iberian neighbour would have too. Portugal's involvement has received so little publicity.

Colonial wars between Portuguese and German Africa? Plain silly! Who would have credited that as bringing Portugal into the war.

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Re: Boycotts Against China

Post by SteveFoerster » Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:00 am

Portugal and the UK also have one of the most longstanding alliances in the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Portuguese_Alliance
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Re: Boycotts Against China

Post by Sertorio » Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:11 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:00 am
Portugal and the UK also have one of the most longstanding alliances in the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Portuguese_Alliance
Which stopped being of any use to us around 1815...

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Re: Boycotts Against China

Post by neverfail » Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:27 pm

Now Sertorio: re. Portugal in WW1.

European Portugal was never under direct threat from Imperial German and its central European allies; so as I see it Portugal plausably could have sat out this conflict just as it did WW2. That your country became involved was all about annexed territory in Africa and German ambitions to expand it's holdings at cost to Portugal.

( :lol: Surely a case of the colonial tail wagging the European dog? :D )

When you think about it Portugal was a rather curious participant in the 19th century European scaramble for colonies in Africa. Germany, like Great Britain, was rich, technologically advanced and well developed at home and so had surplusses of spare capital to invest in its overseas holding. But Portugal had none of these attributes being at the dawn of the 20th century too demographically small, poor and backward to properly develop it's African territories. I do not wonder therefore where the Germans got the ambition from to expand their own domain by moving in on Portuguise colonial territory.

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Re: Boycotts Against China

Post by SteveFoerster » Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:43 pm

Portugal's colonial empire in the Atlantic and coastal Africa started centuries earlier than most others' did. Their early sea voyages around the Cape of Good Hope to Asia were far ahead of other Europeans. So they may have been a shadow of their former selves by the time of the Scramble for Africa, but by then they were long entrenched in Guinea-Bissau, Mozambique, Angola, and various nearby islands.
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Re: Boycotts Against China

Post by Doc » Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:57 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:11 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:00 am
Portugal and the UK also have one of the most longstanding alliances in the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Portuguese_Alliance
Which stopped being of any use to us around 1815...
?? 1815 or 1915?
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Re: Boycotts Against China

Post by Sertorio » Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:29 am

Doc wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:57 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:11 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:00 am
Portugal and the UK also have one of the most longstanding alliances in the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Portuguese_Alliance
Which stopped being of any use to us around 1815...
?? 1815 or 1915?
1815, after the Napoleonic wars...Wellington was instrumental in getting Portugal rid of the French armies...

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Re: Boycotts Against China

Post by neverfail » Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:25 am

Sertorio wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:29 am
Doc wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:57 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:11 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:00 am
Portugal and the UK also have one of the most longstanding alliances in the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Portuguese_Alliance
Which stopped being of any use to us around 1815...
?? 1815 or 1915?
1815, after the Napoleonic wars...Wellington was instrumental in getting Portugal rid of the French armies...
That's so, Sertorio. As the king of Portugal, family and court fled to the safety of Brazil the British placed some of their own army units there apparently to honour their old alliance with Portugal. I can se no other reason for it for for it. 1. Britain's armed strwength lie with its navy; not its army and 2. waging war on the Iberian penimsula contributed nothing obvious to final victory over Napoleon. But it would have loaned credability to the reputation of Britain as a country that honoured its alliances (i.e. it had some propaganda value).

The King of Portugal could not have realised that by placing General Arthur Wellesley (the name of the future Duke of Wellington) jointly in charge of the Portuguese army and the British expeditionary force present he had appointed a battlefield tacticial and military genuis par excellence. I believe that it even took the high command in London years to wake up to the man's merit.

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