Boycotts Against China

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Re: Boycotts Against China

Post by Milo » Fri Dec 10, 2021 8:47 am

neverfail wrote:
Thu Dec 09, 2021 7:33 pm
Hi Milo.

Thanks for inagurating this discussion. May I share a funny story with you about China and boycotts?

Last Monday (or was it Tuesday? I forget!) our :lol: ever lovable Prime Minister solemnly announced that no Australian high public official, including himself, would attend the Beijing winter Olympics. That afternoon an official spokesman for the PRC government reposted that no Australian public official had been invited to attend anyway.

(Well, that was quite a plausable reason for non-attendance by Australian officials and it tore the rug from under beloved Scott Morrison's feet by exploding the pretense that his non-attendance was :lol: a voluntary gesture of protest. ScoMo's pitch - in line with the Biden Administration's - is that it was a protest against the PRC's human rights abuse record.)

But wait, there is more.

The following day another spokesman for the PRC foreign ministry appeared and scornfully dismissed Australia's non-attendance as inconsequential: no one would care whether Australian representatives attended or not. If that were true then why bother to invest so much energy and passion into belittling Australia?

The latest step in this farcical diplomatic melodrama came about overnight when the PRC government threatened "dire consequences" on our country for our official non-attendance - contradicting the scornful dismissal of a couple of days ago. Clearly the PRC government takes Australia's boycott gesture very seriously.

Umm, this is for non-attendance at an event for which our officials were never invited at the first place?

All of the contradictions, the overkill, reflected in the PRC response move me to conclude that somebody powerful within the PRC power structure must be very upset over the boycott and, reflecting this, the PRC foreign ministry has been floundering all over the place in reply.
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p.s. In light of your Women's Tennis Association snub; could this not better be described as a girlcott rather than a boycott? :D
I agree with your analysis, the CCP is very concerned about this.

A number of countries are on the fence right now. If China keeps this behaviour up, they may find a lot more to be upset about.

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Re: Boycotts Against China

Post by neverfail » Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:50 pm

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Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:52 am

I have a theory why this is so. Maybe people like Sertorio are full of hate for their societies because they feel that they are not getting the recognition and stature that they think they deserve.
That's highly likely, Cassowary.

It is well known that over the 20th century in the UK and elsewhere in the West a lot of academics were attracted to Marxism because their home societies did not, in terms of esteem and status, did not place them as high up on the pedistal as they placed themselves. Pride!

Meantime, Marx predicted a special role for what he loosely termed "intellectuals" in the coming period of '"Socialism" - which Marx visualised as a sort of half-way period between capitalism and communisn. Mindful of how societies in a state of revolutionary flux have a tendency to regress backward so that eventually old autocracy becomes superceded by new tyranny, Marx predicted the need for a band of devoted intellectuals to 'temporarily' take charge as a sort of steering committee in order to prevent such a regression taking place.

(At this point you might better understand where the concept dictatorship of the proletariat at the birth of the USSR originated from.)

Given this special responsibility along with the power and status that would have gone with it what was there for godless academics not to like?

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Re: Boycotts Against China

Post by cassowary » Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:18 pm

neverfail wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:50 pm
cassowary wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:52 am

I have a theory why this is so. Maybe people like Sertorio are full of hate for their societies because they feel that they are not getting the recognition and stature that they think they deserve.
That's highly likely, Cassowary.

It is well known that over the 20th century in the UK and elsewhere in the West a lot of academics were attracted to Marxism because their home societies did not, in terms of esteem and status, did not place them as high up on the pedistal as they placed themselves. Pride!

Meantime, Marx predicted a special role for what he loosely termed "intellectuals" in the coming period of '"Socialism" - which Marx visualised as a sort of half-way period between capitalism and communisn. Mindful of how societies in a state of revolutionary flux have a tendency to regress backward so that eventually old autocracy becomes superceded by new tyranny, Marx predicted the need for a band of devoted intellectuals to 'temporarily' take charge as a sort of steering committee in order to prevent such a regression taking place.

(At this point you might better understand where the concept dictatorship of the proletariat at the birth of the USSR originated from.)

Given this special responsibility along with the power and status that would have gone with it what was there for godless academics not to like?
Yes, that makes sense. A group of intelligent people, very well educated and scoring straight A in schools resent those less academically gifted making more money in a capitalist system. Envy and pride. So they hate the system and seek its overthrow. They dream of a new world order with themselves at the top.
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Re: Boycotts Against China

Post by neverfail » Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:16 am

cassowary wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:18 pm
neverfail wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:50 pm
cassowary wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:52 am

I have a theory why this is so. Maybe people like Sertorio are full of hate for their societies because they feel that they are not getting the recognition and stature that they think they deserve.
That's highly likely, Cassowary.

It is well known that over the 20th century in the UK and elsewhere in the West a lot of academics were attracted to Marxism because their home societies did not, in terms of esteem and status, did not place them as high up on the pedistal as they placed themselves. Pride!

Meantime, Marx predicted a special role for what he loosely termed "intellectuals" in the coming period of '"Socialism" - which Marx visualised as a sort of half-way period between capitalism and communisn. Mindful of how societies in a state of revolutionary flux have a tendency to regress backward so that eventually old autocracy becomes superceded by new tyranny, Marx predicted the need for a band of devoted intellectuals to 'temporarily' take charge as a sort of steering committee in order to prevent such a regression taking place.

(At this point you might better understand where the concept dictatorship of the proletariat at the birth of the USSR originated from.)

Given this special responsibility along with the power and status that would have gone with it what was there for godless academics not to like?
Yes, that makes sense. A group of intelligent people, very well educated and scoring straight A in schools resent those less academically gifted making more money in a capitalist system. Envy and pride. So they hate the system and seek its overthrow. They dream of a new world order with themselves at the top.
Cass, I mentioned neither money nor envy as motivating factors in my above post.

The sin I attributed was pride (as in vanity). The craving for a sense of empowerment by otherwise obscure, ignored men who crave to contribute to the making of history spelled with a capital "H".

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Re: Boycotts Against China

Post by cassowary » Sun Dec 12, 2021 1:12 am

neverfail wrote:
Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:16 am
cassowary wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:18 pm
neverfail wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:50 pm
cassowary wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:52 am

I have a theory why this is so. Maybe people like Sertorio are full of hate for their societies because they feel that they are not getting the recognition and stature that they think they deserve.
That's highly likely, Cassowary.

It is well known that over the 20th century in the UK and elsewhere in the West a lot of academics were attracted to Marxism because their home societies did not, in terms of esteem and status, did not place them as high up on the pedistal as they placed themselves. Pride!

Meantime, Marx predicted a special role for what he loosely termed "intellectuals" in the coming period of '"Socialism" - which Marx visualised as a sort of half-way period between capitalism and communisn. Mindful of how societies in a state of revolutionary flux have a tendency to regress backward so that eventually old autocracy becomes superceded by new tyranny, Marx predicted the need for a band of devoted intellectuals to 'temporarily' take charge as a sort of steering committee in order to prevent such a regression taking place.

(At this point you might better understand where the concept dictatorship of the proletariat at the birth of the USSR originated from.)

Given this special responsibility along with the power and status that would have gone with it what was there for godless academics not to like?
Yes, that makes sense. A group of intelligent people, very well educated and scoring straight A in schools resent those less academically gifted making more money in a capitalist system. Envy and pride. So they hate the system and seek its overthrow. They dream of a new world order with themselves at the top.
Cass, I mentioned neither money nor envy as motivating factors in my above post.

The sin I attributed was pride (as in vanity). The craving for a sense of empowerment by otherwise obscure, ignored men who crave to contribute to the making of history spelled with a capital "H".
Yes I agree there are some motivated by the sin of pride. But there will also be those motivated by envy.
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Re: Boycotts Against China

Post by Sertorio » Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:50 am

cassowary wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:18 pm
A group of intelligent people, very well educated and scoring straight A in schools resent those less academically gifted making more money in a capitalist system. Envy and pride. So they hate the system and seek its overthrow. They dream of a new world order with themselves at the top.
There may be other reasons...

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I doubt this would happen in China...

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Re: Boycotts Against China

Post by SteveFoerster » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:26 am

Maybe, maybe not. But we can't know, because if it did they'd suppress reporting of it and deny, deny, deny any independent accounts.

One thing we do know is that Portugal did the right thing on this issue, whereas the U.S. has consistently done the wrong thing.
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Re: Boycotts Against China

Post by Sertorio » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:40 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:26 am
Maybe, maybe not. But we can't know, because if it did they'd suppress reporting of it and deny, deny, deny any independent accounts.

One thing we do know is that Portugal did the right thing on this issue, whereas the U.S. has consistently done the wrong thing.
Kind of you to recognize it... :)

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Re: Boycotts Against China

Post by cassowary » Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:23 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:50 am
cassowary wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:18 pm
A group of intelligent people, very well educated and scoring straight A in schools resent those less academically gifted making more money in a capitalist system. Envy and pride. So they hate the system and seek its overthrow. They dream of a new world order with themselves at the top.
There may be other reasons...

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I doubt this would happen in China...
Say. I just remembered. You are an academic, Sertorio. I remember you said you lecture at the university. So you fit the bill.
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Re: Boycotts Against China

Post by Sertorio » Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:42 am

cassowary wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:23 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:50 am
cassowary wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:18 pm
A group of intelligent people, very well educated and scoring straight A in schools resent those less academically gifted making more money in a capitalist system. Envy and pride. So they hate the system and seek its overthrow. They dream of a new world order with themselves at the top.
There may be other reasons...

Image

I doubt this would happen in China...
Say. I just remembered. You are an academic, Sertorio. I remember you said you lecture at the university. So you fit the bill.
Myself at the top?... All I want is to enjoy my retirement!... :lol:

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