Does Europe Really Want to Start a War With Russia?

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Does Europe Really Want to Start a War With Russia?

Post by Sertorio » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:41 pm

Boris’ Solution for Europe Freezing From Gas Shortage – Start Hot War With Russia!
by Finian Cunningham - November 17, 2021
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/ ... th-russia/

Europe should give up supplies of natural gas from Russia and instead defend Ukraine and Poland. That’s the plucky advice of Britain’s Prime Minister Boris Johnson who counts wartime leader Winston Churchill as one of his political heroes.

Addressing a City of London banquet this week, Johnson warned Germany, France, Italy and other European governments: “We hope that our friends [in Europe] may recognize that a choice is shortly coming between mainlining ever more Russian hydrocarbons in giant new pipelines and sticking up for Ukraine and championing the cause of peace and stability.”

Note the pejorative use of the word “mainlining” which implies Europe’s trade with Russia for gas is a sordid addiction, rather than a mutual commercial partnership.

Johnson also pointed to British troops being deployed to Poland helping that country construct barbed-wire barriers for halting the flow of refugees from Belarus as an example of “defending Europe”.

In the facile, elitist world of Boris, whose slapstick hairstyle is a reflection of disarray in the grey matter beneath, he has an “easy” solution for Europe’s energy supply shortages and soaring prices. That is, cut off potentially abundant, affordable exports of natural gas from Russia – which will plunge European households into freezing conditions and ramp up consumer inflation.

But don’t worry about that grim hardship. Boris’ noble defense of Poland and Ukraine against alleged Russian hybrid warfare and aggression will likely start a hot war that in turn will spiral into a thermonuclear conflagration engulfing the continent of Europe. That’s one way of “solving” freezing conditions, we may suppose.

Johnson’s advice to Europe is like listening to a clown smoking a reefer near a gasoline spigot.

His rosy British war history paints Poland and Ukraine as victims of aggression. The current scenario is contrived to evoke memories of Britain declaring war on Nazi Germany after the Third Reich invaded Poland in September 1939. Never mind that Britain and Poland’s fawning over the Fuhrer in the run-up to the Second World War was a major precipitating factor in eventually igniting that war.

Johnson’s cartoon-history speech at the City of London banquet implies that Russia is the contemporary incarnation of Nazi aggression. Those horrible Ruskies are supplying Europe with up to half of its natural gas fuel which is keeping European homes warm. How utterly fiendish of the Ruskies! So, in Boris’ logic, we must cut off this nefarious gas “weapon” used by the Russians to stop Europe from freezing.

While we’re on the subject of freezing, it is the Polish military with the help of British troops who are drenching hapless refugees in the middle of winter with water cannons to prevent them from entering the European Union from neighboring Belarus. The predominantly Middle Eastern refugees are in Belarus largely as a result of criminal wars waged by the United States, Britain, Poland and other NATO members over the past two decades.

Britain and its NATO partners have weaponized Poland and the Baltic states to antagonize Belarus, as well as Russia. While the Polish military erects razor-wire fences against freezing, huddled women and children, it is barbarous acts like this that evoke the heinous memory of fascism and aggression in Europe. Poland, the Baltic states of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, and Ukraine are steeped in complicity with past Nazi crimes, despite their obdurate denials. The cruelty being meted out to refugees today is shockingly consistent, although dimwits like Britain’s Johnson arrogantly pronounce on history with an upside-down distortion.

It’s not just Johnson though. European Union leaders are decrying Russia for “masterminding hybrid warfare” with Poland, the Baltics and Ukraine. When it is the EU that is funding the rolling out of barbed wire concertinas and militarization of borders across Europe. This effete cowardice and duplicity of Europe’s political class have echoes of the past too in the face of fascism.

France’s President Emmanuel Macron this week reportedly warned Russian leader Vladimir Putin that NATO will defend Ukraine if the latter is invaded by Russia. Such hypothetical hyping is insulting.

Russia has no intention of invading Ukraine or any other European country. Where’s the evidence? Where’s the reasoning? This shrill scenario is entirely dreamt up by NATO propaganda and Russophobia.

The Ukraine has been a NATO spearhead for aggression towards Russia ever since the U.S.-led military bloc backed a coup d’état in Kiev in 2014. The Kiev Neo-Nazi regime is waging a low-intensity war against the ethnic Russian population of Southeast Ukraine. NATO is arming the regime to the teeth, the latest weaponry including attack drones from Turkey.

The U.S. and other NATO members are also increasingly conducting war drills in the Black Sea on Russia’s border. The tensions with Russia are compounded by the militarization of the refugee crisis between Belarus and Poland and the Baltic states.

If an analogy is to be made between the Second World War and the present it is that Russia is once again being subjected to aggression. Instead of the Nazi Wehrmacht over-running Poland, the Baltics and Ukraine it is the U.S.-led NATO axis.

Clowns like Britain’s Boris Johnson and France’s Emmanuel Macron are fanning aggression and the danger of war with fatuous speeches about “defending” Europe.

As the saying attributed to Karl Marx goes: history repeats itself first as tragedy then as farce. Another axiom cited by Boris’s hero Winston Churchill is: those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Lamentably, we are living in such a time.
I don't for a moment believe that the EU really wants to go to war with Russia. Particularly because the Russian armed forces would take just a few days to reach the banks of the Rhine...

But if that's so, why do they keep threatening and antagonizing Russia? What has Europe to gain from such an aggressive behaviour? And no matter how bothersome the Americans may be, I don't believe that Europe is afraid of the US or of the US withdrawing its occupation forces from Europe. So, it must be just stupidity. The EU leadership fails to see how advantageous it would be for Europe to build a strong partnership with Russia. Russia could be the source of most natural resources Europe needs, and Russia could be an important market for European consumer goods, as well as a door to the Eurasian market. Is Putin too authoritarian? Maybe. But Putin is not eternal and a Russia in partnership with Europe could soon become a lot more democratic. Why can't the EU's leaders see this? Why do they keep treating Russia as if it still was the Soviet Union? Stupidity. It must be just a large dose of stupidity...

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Re: Does Europe Really Want to Start a War With Russia?

Post by neverfail » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:50 pm

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Wrong title to this discussion. It should read as follows:

Does Russia really want to inagurate a war with Europe?

In nature when rutting season comes around male deers, stags, will have contests of strength in the form of head butting competitions to determing who gets the right to mate with the available does. The strongest stags get to mate. Likewise with bighorn sheep in the North American wilderness. That is all this situation along the Poland-Belarus border seems to be: the equivalent of an international head-butting competition inagurated by Belarus's Alexander Lukashenko on behalf of his patron Vladimir Putin.

Putin via Lukashenko is probing to test the strength, in particular the solidarity of the EU and the resolve of NATO, in order to assess how he might take future advantage of any weaknesses he might discover.

This one is only the latest in a whole string of such exercises over the previous two decades. No doubt there will be more to come in future if Putin remains true to form.

(Forget about that twit Boris Johnson. As a know-all blatherer of hot air he is as bad as Donald Trump. His urgings are meaningless.)

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Re: Does Europe Really Want to Start a War With Russia?

Post by Sertorio » Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:05 am

neverfail wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:50 pm
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Wrong title to this discussion. It should read as follows:

Does Russia really want to inagurate a war with Europe?

In nature when rutting season comes around male deers, stags, will have contests of strength in the form of head butting competitions to determing who gets the right to mate with the available does. The strongest stags get to mate. Likewise with bighorn sheep in the North American wilderness. That is all this situation along the Poland-Belarus border seems to be: the equivalent of an international head-butting competition inagurated by Belarus's Alexander Lukashenko on behalf of his patron Vladimir Putin.

Putin via Lukashenko is probing to test the strength, in particular the solidarity of the EU and the resolve of NATO, in order to assess how he might take future advantage of any weaknesses he might discover.

This one is only the latest in a whole string of such exercises over the previous two decades. No doubt there will be more to come in future if Putin remains true to form.

(Forget about that twit Boris Johnson. As a know-all blatherer of hot air he is as bad as Donald Trump. His urgings are meaningless.)
Maybe being Down Under makes you see things upside down...

Russia has nothing to do with the Belarus - Poland conflict. It was all due to the EU having decided to dictate who was the legitimate President of Belarus, as if Belarus was not a sovereign state recognized by the UN. In matter of fact Putin must be quite fed up with Lukashenko and wishing to get rid of him. But not the EU bullying way... If the EU - and the US - were ruled by normal, intelligent, peace loving people, they would not interfere in other countries affairs and would use diplomacy and dialogue to solve any problems. Just like civilized people do. But those countries are not ruled by civilized people. And unless we learn how to elect civilized rulers, we will soon be at war.

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Re: Does Europe Really Want to Start a War With Russia?

Post by Doc » Thu Nov 18, 2021 11:52 am

Sertorio wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:05 am
neverfail wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:50 pm
.......................................................................................................

Wrong title to this discussion. It should read as follows:

Does Russia really want to inagurate a war with Europe?

In nature when rutting season comes around male deers, stags, will have contests of strength in the form of head butting competitions to determing who gets the right to mate with the available does. The strongest stags get to mate. Likewise with bighorn sheep in the North American wilderness. That is all this situation along the Poland-Belarus border seems to be: the equivalent of an international head-butting competition inagurated by Belarus's Alexander Lukashenko on behalf of his patron Vladimir Putin.

Putin via Lukashenko is probing to test the strength, in particular the solidarity of the EU and the resolve of NATO, in order to assess how he might take future advantage of any weaknesses he might discover.

This one is only the latest in a whole string of such exercises over the previous two decades. No doubt there will be more to come in future if Putin remains true to form.

(Forget about that twit Boris Johnson. As a know-all blatherer of hot air he is as bad as Donald Trump. His urgings are meaningless.)
Maybe being Down Under makes you see things upside down...

Russia has nothing to do with the Belarus - Poland conflict. It was all due to the EU having decided to dictate who was the legitimate President of Belarus, as if Belarus was not a sovereign state recognized by the UN. In matter of fact Putin must be quite fed up with Lukashenko and wishing to get rid of him. But not the EU bullying way... If the EU - and the US - were ruled by normal, intelligent, peace loving people, they would not interfere in other countries affairs and would use diplomacy and dialogue to solve any problems. Just like civilized people do. But those countries are not ruled by civilized people. And unless we learn how to elect civilized rulers, we will soon be at war.
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Re: Does Europe Really Want to Start a War With Russia?

Post by neverfail » Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:57 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:05 am

Russia has nothing to do with the Belarus - Poland conflict. It was all due to the EU having decided to dictate who was the legitimate President of Belarus, as if Belarus was not a sovereign state recognized by the UN. In matter of fact Putin must be quite fed up with Lukashenko and wishing to get rid of him. But not the EU bullying way... If the EU - and the US - were ruled by normal, intelligent, peace loving people, they would not interfere in other countries affairs and would use diplomacy and dialogue to solve any problems. Just like civilized people do. But those countries are not ruled by civilized people. And unless we learn how to elect civilized rulers, we will soon be at war.
:lol:

You can't be serious Sertorio.

(...and as the police officer testified to the committee appointed to investigate allegations of police brutality towards protest demonstraters: "..the demonstrator rammed his head hard into my police truncheon; then when lying on the street afterward pushed his groin aggressively against the toe of my boot..."

:lol:

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Re: Is Belarus migrant crisis a new type of war?

Post by neverfail » Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:15 pm

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https://asiatimes.com/2021/11/is-belaru ... pe-of-war/

In short, the crisis could be considered an act of hybrid warfare because Belarus is using migration strategically to put pressure on the EU and create discord within the bloc. This amounts to state-sponsored human trafficking aimed at creating a humanitarian crisis to force the EU and its member states to accede to Belarus’s demands, namely ending their sanctions.

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Re: Is Belarus migrant crisis a new type of war?

Post by Sertorio » Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:22 pm

neverfail wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:15 pm
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https://asiatimes.com/2021/11/is-belaru ... pe-of-war/

In short, the crisis could be considered an act of hybrid warfare because Belarus is using migration strategically to put pressure on the EU and create discord within the bloc. This amounts to state-sponsored human trafficking aimed at creating a humanitarian crisis to force the EU and its member states to accede to Belarus’s demands, namely ending their sanctions.
The refugees didn't have to be dragged to go near the Polish border. They did it because they want to get into the EU, like so many other refugees in the past few years. The fact that Lukashenko took advantage of that to embarrass the EU doesn't mean he is guilty of human trafficking... And by refusing them entry into the EU - contrarily to refugees coming from other directions - the EU is saying a lot about how respectful they are of human rights... Soaking women and children wet under freezing conditions?... :shock:

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Re: Is Belarus migrant crisis a new type of war?

Post by neverfail » Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:06 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:22 pm
neverfail wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:15 pm
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https://asiatimes.com/2021/11/is-belaru ... pe-of-war/

In short, the crisis could be considered an act of hybrid warfare because Belarus is using migration strategically to put pressure on the EU and create discord within the bloc. This amounts to state-sponsored human trafficking aimed at creating a humanitarian crisis to force the EU and its member states to accede to Belarus’s demands, namely ending their sanctions.
The refugees didn't have to be dragged to go near the Polish border. They did it because they want to get into the EU, like so many other refugees in the past few years. The fact that Lukashenko took advantage of that to embarrass the EU doesn't mean he is guilty of human trafficking... And by refusing them entry into the EU - contrarily to refugees coming from other directions - the EU is saying a lot about how respectful they are of human rights... Soaking women and children wet under freezing conditions?... :shock:
Lukashenko deserved to have EU sanctions imposed on him for forcing a commercial airline to make an unscheduled landing in his country so that his thugs could kidnap a political rival of his from among the passengers.

Now Sertorio; please cease making a hypocrite of yourself speaking censorously about alleged EU disrespect for human rights.

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Re: Is Belarus migrant crisis a new type of war?

Post by Sertorio » Fri Nov 19, 2021 1:30 am

neverfail wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:06 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:22 pm
neverfail wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:15 pm
.......................................................................................................................................
https://asiatimes.com/2021/11/is-belaru ... pe-of-war/

In short, the crisis could be considered an act of hybrid warfare because Belarus is using migration strategically to put pressure on the EU and create discord within the bloc. This amounts to state-sponsored human trafficking aimed at creating a humanitarian crisis to force the EU and its member states to accede to Belarus’s demands, namely ending their sanctions.
The refugees didn't have to be dragged to go near the Polish border. They did it because they want to get into the EU, like so many other refugees in the past few years. The fact that Lukashenko took advantage of that to embarrass the EU doesn't mean he is guilty of human trafficking... And by refusing them entry into the EU - contrarily to refugees coming from other directions - the EU is saying a lot about how respectful they are of human rights... Soaking women and children wet under freezing conditions?... :shock:
Lukashenko deserved to have EU sanctions imposed on him for forcing a commercial airline to make an unscheduled landing in his country so that his thugs could kidnap a political rival of his from among the passengers.

Now Sertorio; please cease making a hypocrite of yourself speaking censorously about alleged EU disrespect for human rights.
Terrible, indeed. But when it was Austria, at the bequest of the US, forcing the landing of the Bolivian presidential plane, with Morales aboard, to see if Snowden was also aboard, everybody thought it was reasonable... So using that excuse to sanction Lukashenko is rotten hypocrisy, and you know it. But to you, and so many others, the ends justify the means, even if they violate international law and put us all at risk of war...

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Re: Is Belarus migrant crisis a new type of war?

Post by SteveFoerster » Fri Nov 19, 2021 4:38 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Fri Nov 19, 2021 1:30 am
neverfail wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:06 pm
Lukashenko deserved to have EU sanctions imposed on him for forcing a commercial airline to make an unscheduled landing in his country so that his thugs could kidnap a political rival of his from among the passengers.

Now Sertorio; please cease making a hypocrite of yourself speaking censorously about alleged EU disrespect for human rights.
Terrible, indeed. But when it was Austria, at the bequest of the US, forcing the landing of the Bolivian presidential plane, with Morales aboard, to see if Snowden was also aboard, everybody thought it was reasonable...
Really? Everyone did? :roll:

In other words, knowing that neverfail is right and you are wrong, you deflect with whataboutism about the U.S., and yet you still have to lie about what the reaction was to a seemingly analogous incident.
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