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Jewish Settlements in the West Bank

Post by Sertorio » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:38 am

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Washington has issued a strong rebuke of a new Israeli plan to build more than 1,300 new settlement homes in the West Bank for Jewish settlers, with thousands more likely to soon be approved. However, behind the scenes, Israeli leaders are denying any new US pressure exists.

"We are deeply concerned about the Israeli government's plan to advance thousands of settlement units tomorrow, Wednesday, many of them deep in the West Bank," US State Department spokesperson Ned Price told reporters at a Tuesday briefing.

"We strongly oppose the expansion of settlements, which is completely inconsistent with efforts to lower tensions and to ensure calm, and it damages the prospects for a two-state solution," Price said.

Over the weekend, Israeli Construction and Housing Minister Zeev Elkin announced approval of 1,355 new settlement homes in seven existing settlements in the West Bank, including Beit El.
However, they are just the beginning: another 4,400 homes could soon be on the way. The BBC reported Wednesday that the Supreme Planning Council of the Civil Administration had given final approval to 1,800 homes to be built in Jewish settlements and preliminary approval to another 1,300.

The planning commission is also expected to approve 1,300 homes in Palestinian settlements in Area C of the West Bank, or the part of the West Bank under direct military rule - the first substantial construction approval given to Palestinians since 2007.

Roughly 475,000 Jewish settlers live in the West Bank, who enjoy preferential rights compared to the roughly 2.8 million Palestinians who live there.
The more Jewish settlements there will be, the easier it will be to opt for a one-state solution, which will necessarily be secular. To me that's a positive development.

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Re: Jewish Settlements in the West Bank

Post by neverfail » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:36 am

Sertorio wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:38 am
The more Jewish settlements there will be, the easier it will be to opt for a one-state solution, which will necessarily be secular. To me that's a positive development.


The Jewish settlements are authorised to crowd the Palestinians out of the last remnant bit of land left on which they could possibly build a state of their own. Your "one state solution" is destined to be entirely Jewish - and likely not "secular' Jewish (if there can be such a thing other than as an oxymoron) either.

You never need wonder why Palestinians do not trust Israel's Zionist establishment.

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Post by Sertorio » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:59 am

neverfail wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:36 am
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:38 am
The more Jewish settlements there will be, the easier it will be to opt for a one-state solution, which will necessarily be secular. To me that's a positive development.


The Jewish settlements are authorised to crowd the Palestinians out of the last remnant bit of land left on which they could possibly build a state of their own. Your "one state solution" is destined to be entirely Jewish - and likely not "secular' Jewish (if there can be such a thing other than as an oxymoron) either.

You never need wonder why Palestinians do not trust Israel's Zionist establishment.
The close to 3 million Palestinians in the West Bank are not being expelled to make room for the settlements. In the one state solution they would remain there and (most) would become Israeli citizens. That would make sure that such an Israel would be a secular state, with Jews and Muslims (and Christian) being free to follow their respective religion. What could be better for peace in the ME?...

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Re: Jewish Settlements in the West Bank

Post by SteveFoerster » Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:01 am

Sertorio wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:59 am
neverfail wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:36 am
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:38 am
The more Jewish settlements there will be, the easier it will be to opt for a one-state solution, which will necessarily be secular. To me that's a positive development.


The Jewish settlements are authorised to crowd the Palestinians out of the last remnant bit of land left on which they could possibly build a state of their own. Your "one state solution" is destined to be entirely Jewish - and likely not "secular' Jewish (if there can be such a thing other than as an oxymoron) either.

You never need wonder why Palestinians do not trust Israel's Zionist establishment.
The close to 3 million Palestinians in the West Bank are not being expelled to make room for the settlements. In the one state solution they would remain there and (most) would become Israeli citizens. That would make sure that such an Israel would be a secular state, with Jews and Muslims (and Christian) being free to follow their respective religion. What could be better for peace in the ME?...
It seems like Israeli policymakers already have the one state solution they desire, where Israel is that state, and Arabs in the occupied territories are relegated to permanent non-citizen status.
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Re: Jewish Settlements in the West Bank

Post by neverfail » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:17 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:01 am
It seems like Israeli policymakers already have the one state solution they desire, where Israel is that state, and Arabs in the occupied territories are relegated to permanent non-citizen status.
Well put - and presumably a lot of those Palestinian non-citizens of Israel will give up and migrate somewhere else to look for a home. Israeli policy has that written all over it.

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Re: Jewish Settlements in the West Bank

Post by cassowary » Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:31 pm

neverfail wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:36 am
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:38 am
The more Jewish settlements there will be, the easier it will be to opt for a one-state solution, which will necessarily be secular. To me that's a positive development.


The Jewish settlements are authorised to crowd the Palestinians out of the last remnant bit of land left on which they could possibly build a state of their own. Your "one state solution" is destined to be entirely Jewish - and likely not "secular' Jewish (if there can be such a thing other than as an oxymoron) either.

You never need wonder why Palestinians do not trust Israel's Zionist establishment.
Haha. Serves the Palestinians right for rejecting peace. The longer they refuse to make peace, the more land they will lose.
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Re: Jewish Settlements in the West Bank

Post by neverfail » Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:52 pm

cassowary wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:31 pm
neverfail wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:36 am
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:38 am
The more Jewish settlements there will be, the easier it will be to opt for a one-state solution, which will necessarily be secular. To me that's a positive development.


The Jewish settlements are authorised to crowd the Palestinians out of the last remnant bit of land left on which they could possibly build a state of their own. Your "one state solution" is destined to be entirely Jewish - and likely not "secular' Jewish (if there can be such a thing other than as an oxymoron) either.

You never need wonder why Palestinians do not trust Israel's Zionist establishment.
Haha. Serves the Palestinians right for rejecting peace. The longer they refuse to make peace, the more land they will lose.
No! Serves their forebears right for inviting Jewish mass immigration and settlement in their country (pushed by the Zionist movement) in the first place. :)

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Re: Jewish Settlements in the West Bank

Post by cassowary » Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:59 pm

neverfail wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:52 pm
cassowary wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:31 pm
neverfail wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:36 am
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:38 am
The more Jewish settlements there will be, the easier it will be to opt for a one-state solution, which will necessarily be secular. To me that's a positive development.


The Jewish settlements are authorised to crowd the Palestinians out of the last remnant bit of land left on which they could possibly build a state of their own. Your "one state solution" is destined to be entirely Jewish - and likely not "secular' Jewish (if there can be such a thing other than as an oxymoron) either.

You never need wonder why Palestinians do not trust Israel's Zionist establishment.
Haha. Serves the Palestinians right for rejecting peace. The longer they refuse to make peace, the more land they will lose.
No! Serves their forebears right for inviting Jewish mass immigration and settlement in their country (pushed by the Zionist movement) in the first place. :)
I don't think their forebears invited them. They came on their own due to historical attachment to Palestine. Also, there was always a Jewish presence there for two thousand years. These are the Shepherdic Jews. In a sense, they never left.
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Re: Jewish Settlements in the West Bank

Post by neverfail » Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:31 am

cassowary wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:59 pm

I don't think their forebears invited them.


I was being intentionally facetious there so you are absolutely right. Nor would they have done so had they been able to foresee how these aliens would eventually outpopulate and wrest their country away from them. The various eruptions of anti-Jewish violence by local Arabs that marked this latter period of British administration was a perfectly understandable and predictable reaction by a disempowered people against the consequences of an immigration policy administered by foreignors and over which they had absolutely no control. In between the two world wars the local long established Arabic population could see both the land and their own destiny slipping from their hands.
They came on their own due to historical attachment to Palestine.
Do you imagine that we live in a world that permits the free movement of peoples? That nations and even empires do not have immigration rules? They came because no one seriously tried to stop them. First the Ottomans and later the British with their League of Nations mandate. Neither really seemed to have had the best interests of the Palestinians at heart. Had they done so them they should have stopped the Jews from coming in - especially in such numbers.

Also, there was always a Jewish presence there for two thousand years. These are the Shepherdic Jews. In a sense, they never left.
Shepherdic Jew, a term that applies to Jews right across the Middle East and beyond were there as a demographically small minority of the population all along but it was the big influx of Ashkenazim Jewry from central and eastern Europe sponsored by the world Zionist movement from the late 19th century onward that finally tipped the balance. Had it been left to the local Shepherdic Jewry there would still be no State of Israel in existence even now.

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Re: Jewish Settlements in the West Bank

Post by Sertorio » Fri Oct 29, 2021 5:04 am

neverfail wrote:
Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:31 am
Had it been left to the local Shepherdic Jewry there would still be no State of Israel in existence even now.
In fact I believe Sephardic Jews would always prefer the Iberian Peninsula to Israel... And rightfully so! After all we are a very nice people... :lol:

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