What Is the Ruckus Over AUKUS?

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What Is the Ruckus Over AUKUS?

Post by SteveFoerster » Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:50 am

https://www.fairobserver.com/more/inter ... ews-14211/

In which Ambassador Grappo calls for the AUKUS countries to mend fences with Paris by including them in the Australian submarine deal and as part a coordinated defence of the Western Pacific... while acknowledging the awkwardness of including an F in the acronym.
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Re: What Is the Ruckus Over AUKUS?

Post by Sertorio » Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:57 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:50 am
https://www.fairobserver.com/more/inter ... ews-14211/

In which Ambassador Grappo calls for the AUKUS countries to mend fences with Paris by including them in the Australian submarine deal and as part a coordinated defence of the Western Pacific... while acknowledging the awkwardness of including an F in the acronym.
FAUKUS sounds almost right... :lol: Or maybe FUKAUS...

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Re: What Is the Ruckus Over AUKUS?

Post by neverfail » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:52 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:57 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:50 am
https://www.fairobserver.com/more/inter ... ews-14211/

In which Ambassador Grappo calls for the AUKUS countries to mend fences with Paris by including them in the Australian submarine deal and as part a coordinated defence of the Western Pacific... while acknowledging the awkwardness of including an F in the acronym.
FAUKUS sounds almost right... :lol: Or maybe FUKAUS...
If France were to join and Australia to leave it would become (well!) FUK-US?

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Re: What Is the Ruckus Over AUKUS?

Post by neverfail » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:56 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:50 am
https://www.fairobserver.com/more/inter ... ews-14211/

In which Ambassador Grappo calls for the AUKUS countries to mend fences with Paris by including them in the Australian submarine deal and as part a coordinated defence of the Western Pacific... while acknowledging the awkwardness of including an F in the acronym.
It readas like a sensible opinion piece to be.

Is the author really an ambassador? His name reminds me of that strong Italian spiritous liquor GRAPPA. :D

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Re: What Is the Ruckus Over AUKUS?

Post by SteveFoerster » Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:35 am

neverfail wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:56 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:50 am
https://www.fairobserver.com/more/inter ... ews-14211/

In which Ambassador Grappo calls for the AUKUS countries to mend fences with Paris by including them in the Australian submarine deal and as part a coordinated defence of the Western Pacific... while acknowledging the awkwardness of including an F in the acronym.
It readas like a sensible opinion piece to be.

Is the author really an ambassador? His name reminds me of that strong Italian spiritous liquor GRAPPA. :D
So it would seem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_A._Grappo

But that is amusing!
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Re: What Is the Ruckus Over AUKUS?

Post by neverfail » Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:34 pm

As long as the terms and conditions are right I would welcome a French involvement in Australia's submarine acquisition project and more broadly as a defence policy partner in the Pacific and Indian Oceans.

Under the original terms and conditions of the sub building contract with the French firm the first two subs were supposed to be built in their shipyard at Cherbourg while the remaining ten were to be built at an Australian shipyard located at Adelaide. This was modelled no doubt on the terms and conditions by which our present flotilla of (Swedish designed, Collins Class) submarines were built over the 1980's. However now that that contract has been vioded there is no guarantee that any of the proposed nuclear subs will be build at the same shipyard.

The obstensive reason why our government wanted those subs to be built in Australia was technology transfer: should Australia at a future date need more of them we would have the adquired know-how to build them locally. There is however another reason not widely vaunted why it was important to have those subs built at Adelaide.

South Australia, where Adelaide is the regional capital is one of our more sparsely populated states and it has a notoriously weak regional economy. So in compensation ou Federal governments are inclined to awarrd it as much navy-related work as they decently can as this in practice through a "multiplier" effrect represents a significent boost to the states regional economy. Is US jargon I believe that this is known as a boondoggle (Yep, it is not only the Yanks who do those! :) ).

(To return to topic) I would welcome French involvement as ex-ambassador Grappo suggests in providing the low-enriched uranium powered propulsion units as we could likely refine the fuel ourselves (out of uranium from our own mines of which this country has no shortage) whereas if the subs are powered by highly entiched uraniun (like the US and UK submarines) we would have to import the fuel from abroad - and that would add an element of defence vulnerability that we could do without.

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