The US Doesn't Know What To Do About Taiwan

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Re: The US Doesn't Know What To Do About Taiwan

Post by Milo » Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:07 pm

Sertorio is the record holder on here for posts decrying US warmongering and for posts celebrating warmongering by China and Russia.

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Re: The US Doesn't Know What To Do About Taiwan

Post by neverfail » Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:25 pm

None of these posts has answered the question "does the US have a policy to assist Taiwan repel a mainland Chinese invasion or is US posturing on the issue just that: all bluff and bluster?"

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Re: The US Doesn't Know What To Do About Taiwan

Post by Sertorio » Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:17 pm

Milo wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:07 pm
Sertorio is the record holder on here for posts decrying US warmongering and for posts celebrating warmongering by China and Russia.
Recovering Taiwan is not warmongering. And neither is reunification of Russia with Crimea. And now I will spear you the whole list of wars started by the US in the last 70 years... 8-)

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Re: The US Doesn't Know What To Do About Taiwan

Post by Milo » Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:54 pm

neverfail wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:25 pm
None of these posts has answered the question "does the US have a policy to assist Taiwan repel a mainland Chinese invasion or is US posturing on the issue just that: all bluff and bluster?"
I see it this way NF. The answer is yes, and they are not telling most of it.

I remember a lot of doomsday talk when they took on Iraq, it turned out that they routed Iraq in all areas. And, no, they haven’t fallen behind since then.

BTW, this will never, ever, ever happen, which is part of why Sertorio keeps banging on it. But, if it did—it won’t—

America could:
waste every military computer, phone and radio on earth that is set to Mandarin;
short the stock of any PRC traded company into freefall;
rake the sky clean of PRC aircraft and stop any replacing them;
almost immediately.

America will:
will be joined by her allies in a declaration of some sort (we never use the W word any more). Count on AUKUS, QSD, Singapore, NZ, Philippines, Indonesia, France and Other NATO. Who knows who else: China will have crashed the economy of everyone and the politicians sure as hell aren’t going to take the blame
make “the call” to Beijing.

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Re: The US Doesn't Know What To Do About Taiwan

Post by Doc » Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:01 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:17 pm
Milo wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:07 pm
Sertorio is the record holder on here for posts decrying US warmongering and for posts celebrating warmongering by China and Russia.
Recovering Taiwan is not warmongering. And neither is reunification of Russia with Crimea. And now I will spear you the whole list of wars started by the US in the last 70 years... 8-)
The people of Taiwan have made it pretty plain they don't want to be "recovered" by the CCP. Do you believe in the exclusive right of might?
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Re: The US Doesn't Know What To Do About Taiwan

Post by Doc » Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:07 pm

Milo wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:54 pm
neverfail wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:25 pm
None of these posts has answered the question "does the US have a policy to assist Taiwan repel a mainland Chinese invasion or is US posturing on the issue just that: all bluff and bluster?"
I see it this way NF. The answer is yes, and they are not telling most of it.

I remember a lot of doomsday talk when they took on Iraq, it turned out that they routed Iraq in all areas. And, no, they haven’t fallen behind since then.

BTW, this will never, ever, ever happen, which is part of why Sertorio keeps banging on it. But, if it did—it won’t—

America could:
waste every military computer, phone and radio on earth that is set to Mandarin;
short the stock of any PRC traded company into freefall;
rake the sky clean of PRC aircraft and stop any replacing them;
almost immediately.

America will:
will be joined by her allies in a declaration of some sort (we never use the W word any more). Count on AUKUS, QSD, Singapore, NZ, Philippines, Indonesia, France and Other NATO. Who knows who else: China will have crashed the economy of everyone and the politicians sure as hell aren’t going to take the blame
make “the call” to Beijing.
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Re: The US Doesn't Know What To Do About Taiwan

Post by Sertorio » Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:48 am

Doc wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:01 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:17 pm
Milo wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:07 pm
Sertorio is the record holder on here for posts decrying US warmongering and for posts celebrating warmongering by China and Russia.
Recovering Taiwan is not warmongering. And neither is reunification of Russia with Crimea. And now I will spear you the whole list of wars started by the US in the last 70 years... 8-)
The people of Taiwan have made it pretty plane they don't want to be "recovered" by the CCP. Do you believe in the exclusive right of might?
I would if I were American, but I am not. China putting an end to the Taiwan secession is no worse than the Union putting an end to the Confederate secession in the 19th century. And don't talk to me about slavery. Slavery was NOT the reason for the war, the right of states to secede was.

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Re: The US Doesn't Know What To Do About Taiwan

Post by Doc » Fri Oct 08, 2021 1:00 am

Sertorio wrote:
Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:48 am
Doc wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:01 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:17 pm
Milo wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:07 pm
Sertorio is the record holder on here for posts decrying US warmongering and for posts celebrating warmongering by China and Russia.
Recovering Taiwan is not warmongering. And neither is reunification of Russia with Crimea. And now I will spear you the whole list of wars started by the US in the last 70 years... 8-)
The people of Taiwan have made it pretty plane they don't want to be "recovered" by the CCP. Do you believe in the exclusive right of might?
I would if I were American, but I am not. China putting an end to the Taiwan secession is no worse than the Union putting an end to the Confederate secession in the 19th century. And don't talk to me about slavery. Slavery was NOT the reason for the war, the right of states to secede was.
So you absolutely believe in might is right in the name of socialism. the Nazis were socialists and the CCP has most definitely copied(Like just about everything else ) Nazi Germany,

There fore, given your blind support for the CCP, either you believe that socialism and fascism are the same thing, or you are being less than truthful when you say you support socialism because you don't believe they are the same thing.
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Re: The US Doesn't Know What To Do About Taiwan

Post by SteveFoerster » Fri Oct 08, 2021 5:48 am

Sertorio wrote:
Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:48 am
Doc wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:01 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:17 pm
Milo wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:07 pm
Sertorio is the record holder on here for posts decrying US warmongering and for posts celebrating warmongering by China and Russia.
Recovering Taiwan is not warmongering. And neither is reunification of Russia with Crimea. And now I will spear you the whole list of wars started by the US in the last 70 years... 8-)
The people of Taiwan have made it pretty plain they don't want to be "recovered" by the CCP. Do you believe in the exclusive right of might?
I would if I were American, but I am not. China putting an end to the Taiwan secession is no worse than the Union putting an end to the Confederate secession in the 19th century. And don't talk to me about slavery. Slavery was NOT the reason for the war, the right of states to secede was.
I was trying to figure out why you would suddenly parrot a KKK talking point out of the blue, but then I realised that when one's only article of faith is that the U.S. is always bad, one would have to make up reasons why the U.S. was the villain even during its own civil war. And in this case that paints you into the corner of having to deny what the war was really all about.
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Re: The US Doesn't Know What To Do About Taiwan

Post by Sertorio » Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:32 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
Fri Oct 08, 2021 5:48 am
Sertorio wrote:
Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:48 am
Doc wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:01 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:17 pm
Milo wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:07 pm
Sertorio is the record holder on here for posts decrying US warmongering and for posts celebrating warmongering by China and Russia.
Recovering Taiwan is not warmongering. And neither is reunification of Russia with Crimea. And now I will spear you the whole list of wars started by the US in the last 70 years... 8-)
The people of Taiwan have made it pretty plane they don't want to be "recovered" by the CCP. Do you believe in the exclusive right of might?
I would if I were American, but I am not. China putting an end to the Taiwan secession is no worse than the Union putting an end to the Confederate secession in the 19th century. And don't talk to me about slavery. Slavery was NOT the reason for the war, the right of states to secede was.
I was trying to figure out why you would suddenly parrot a KKK talking point out of the blue, but then I realised that when one's only article of faith is that the U.S. is always bad, one would have to make up reasons why the U.S. was the villain even during its own civil war. And in this case that paints you into the corner of having to deny what the war was really all about.
You know very well that there were slaves in the northern states. And that the slavery issue was only used as an excuse because it was difficult to deny the states' right to secede. I don't care what the KKK says on this matter.

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