SteveFoerster wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:56 pm
Doc wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:23 pm
SteveFoerster wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:05 am
In diplomacy, ultimately most everything is negotiable.
Isn't that what Chamberland thought? IE There was a specific reason why the Taliban offered to send Bin Laden to Qatar. Does it strike anyone as strange that the Taliban puts so much faith in Qatar, whose ruler own Al Jazeera. Which has also been know to inflame tensions between the west and the Muslim world?
You'll note I said "most" everything, and that was specifically to exclude existential-level scenarios. Since we're going all Godwin's Law here, Chamberlain foolishly failed to realize that he was in a situation that threatened the very existence of the UK.
The cost of conducting the terror atacks against the WTC and the Pentagon is estimated to be between 300 and 400 thousand dollars. Besides loss of human life 911 caused between around 4 or 5 billion dollars in physical property damage. It cost trillions in economic damage. Overall the damage to the world is incalculable It was an existential threat to human civilization. And note it was conducted by people that want to live in the 13th century.
As for why Qatar, I expect they hoped it would rid them of the hot potato (bin Ladin) that they knew otherwise would cause the Americans to come for them without the loss of face from handing him over to them directly. Given their ideology I expect that handing him over directly would have let to too much internal division.
These are people that in the last month behead a pregnant woman because she was a police officer in Afghanistan. Why do you think fear of loss of face prevented them from doing anything?
And as for the separate issue of al-Jazeera supposedly inflaming tensions between the West and the Islamic world, it seems both sides are perfectly capable of doing that without assistance.
In war it is killed or be killed. Bin Laden declared war against the US in 1996. Very few people paid attention.
I don't think we should have stayed in Afghanistan a minute longer then we had to to wreck Al Qaeda. But we had to go in.
It was said at the time that Jiang Zemin watched the 911 attacks over and over and over. He undoubtedly saw weakness. But then the US set out to destroy AL Qaeda. In 2008 during the financial crisis the CCP decided it was time to start asserting itself towards its goal of world domination. Like it or not, such is the world.
“"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros