China's self-inflicted energy shortage.

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Re: China's self-inflicted energy shortage.

Post by cassowary » Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:54 am

Sertorio wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:03 am
cassowary wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:35 am
Sertorio wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 1:43 am
The more educated people are the harder it is for governments to fool them. That's why most governments do not seem too keen on furthering the education of their youngsters. As long as they can read and write and have spent a certain number of years in school, governments are happy. Whether youngsters get a good education or not in the course of those years seems less important.
But you are well educated but are fooled by socialism.
I am not fooled. Contrarily to you I am smart enough to know what socialism is all about and therefore I am in its favour... :twisted:
No you don’t. To me your beliefs are akin to religious fervour. They are based on faith and not facts. Something in your soul compelled you to believe. Giving it up is just too painful.

When I am free, I will write ✍️ on the why some people cling to this secular religion called Socialism.
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Re: China's self-inflicted energy shortage.

Post by Sertorio » Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:44 am

cassowary wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:54 am
Sertorio wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:03 am
cassowary wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:35 am
Sertorio wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 1:43 am
The more educated people are the harder it is for governments to fool them. That's why most governments do not seem too keen on furthering the education of their youngsters. As long as they can read and write and have spent a certain number of years in school, governments are happy. Whether youngsters get a good education or not in the course of those years seems less important.
But you are well educated but are fooled by socialism.
I am not fooled. Contrarily to you I am smart enough to know what socialism is all about and therefore I am in its favour... :twisted:
No you don’t. To me your beliefs are akin to religious fervour. They are based on faith and not facts. Something in your soul compelled you to believe. Giving it up is just too painful.

When I am free, I will write ✍️ on the why some people cling to this secular religion called Socialism.
Socialism is human rights put into practice. Socialist policies may be inefficient but socialist principles are always right. Therefore you are of course entitled to criticizing specific policies, but if you criticize socialist principles you are in fact denying human rights.

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Re: China's self-inflicted energy shortage.

Post by Doc » Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:54 am

cassowary wrote:
Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:55 pm
Doc wrote:
Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:18 pm
neverfail wrote:
Tue Oct 05, 2021 6:45 pm
Doc wrote:
Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:53 am
Maybe Xi has no intention of fixing this. Maybe it is his version of the great reset.
Maybe too Xi is plain ignorent of even the basics of economics? I am convinced that a surprising number of world leaders are.

(I do not know about you Doc but even though I should know better even I, as a default position, are inclined to see our political top man as an expert in everything. I am sure that people everywhere are like that. I am equally sure that our political leaders encourage that to foster the PR impression of being authoratitive. Yes in practice you find that their grasp on things is limited; often extremely so and they rely heavily on their advisors and bureaucrats.)
In CCP controlled China the supreme leader is always right. Even when he is wrong.
In a authoritarian state, the bureaucrats tell the leaders what they want to hear. So Xi may not be aware of everything that is going on.

I learned this from my own personal experience. Even our LKY got fooled. I was working for our housing department as a young man when LKY was PM. He promised the voters to deliver x thousand public housing aparments. So all of us worked hard with the contractors to deliver.

Three months before the deadline, it was clear we were not going to make it. Our chief was told. His face was ashen for LKY did not tolerate failure. There was silence in the room. You could hear a pin drop. A few months later, it was announced that they hit the target. How was this possible?

I visited a work site. The contractor was laughing. The contractors were told to "hand over" the projects and the architect certified the projects as "completed" even though they were not. The architect gave them a long list of "defects" they must correct. The "defects", which in normal circumstances should be minor, now were major things like no roofs, no doors, no elevators that made the buildings habitable. Our boss got a medal. LKY did not know. The newspapers did not write about it.

Eventually, all the missing things were installed. Things are different now. Such things cannot happen any longer because we are not longer authoritarian. You can be sure that it will be in the newspapers.
It seems like it really does not matter if authoritarians are told or not. Lack of a free press means they can deny all knowledge of anything that goes on. Especially in China with its great fire wall limiting information that people can see. Them having the excuse of "Not being told" is a good of an excuse as any.

BTW There are some reports that the CCP is now quietly importing coal from where ever it can get it. No matter what the cost including 450 tons from Australia.
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Re: China's self-inflicted energy shortage.

Post by SteveFoerster » Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:09 am

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I am not fooled. Contrarily to you I am smart enough to know what socialism is all about and therefore I am in its favour... :twisted:
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Re: China's self-inflicted energy shortage.

Post by neverfail » Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:51 pm

cassowary wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:54 am
Sertorio wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:03 am
cassowary wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:35 am
Sertorio wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 1:43 am
The more educated people are the harder it is for governments to fool them. That's why most governments do not seem too keen on furthering the education of their youngsters. As long as they can read and write and have spent a certain number of years in school, governments are happy. Whether youngsters get a good education or not in the course of those years seems less important.
But you are well educated but are fooled by socialism.
I am not fooled. Contrarily to you I am smart enough to know what socialism is all about and therefore I am in its favour... :twisted:
No you don’t. To me your beliefs are akin to religious fervour.
Socialism seems more like a pipe dream than religious committment as I comprehend it.

Strange how in countries were predominantly private enterprise systems of production and distribution combine with well established traditions of elected government functioning under rule of law human rights are more widely respected and maintained than in countries where regimes of government were founded in the name of socialism.

Perhaps they should forever treat socialism for what it is - an enticing pipe dream. It never seems to carry over well into government policy. :)

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Re: China's self-inflicted energy shortage.

Post by Doc » Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:14 am

Sertorio wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:44 am
cassowary wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:54 am
Sertorio wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:03 am
cassowary wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:35 am
Sertorio wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 1:43 am
The more educated people are the harder it is for governments to fool them. That's why most governments do not seem too keen on furthering the education of their youngsters. As long as they can read and write and have spent a certain number of years in school, governments are happy. Whether youngsters get a good education or not in the course of those years seems less important.
But you are well educated but are fooled by socialism.
I am not fooled. Contrarily to you I am smart enough to know what socialism is all about and therefore I am in its favour... :twisted:
No you don’t. To me your beliefs are akin to religious fervour. They are based on faith and not facts. Something in your soul compelled you to believe. Giving it up is just too painful.

When I am free, I will write ✍️ on the why some people cling to this secular religion called Socialism.
Socialism is human rights put into practice. Socialist policies may be inefficient but socialist principles are always right. Therefore you are of course entitled to criticizing specific policies, but if you criticize socialist principles you are in fact denying human rights.
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Re: China's self-inflicted energy shortage.

Post by neverfail » Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:54 am

https://asiatimes.com/2021/10/bad-timin ... -in-china/

Bad timing for an energy crisis in China

Sudden fuel price spikes have hit China ruthlessly and will add more pain to various other self-inflicted economic wounds
....and from the Falun Gong online publication:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/china-unl ... tVU5EyLZv8

China Unloads Stranded Australian Coal to Address Energy Crisis
...and so the drama goes on and on.

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