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The ISIS "Terrorist" Americans Killed in Kabul

Post by Sertorio » Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:05 am

US drone strike in Kabul killed AID WORKER, not ISIS terrorist, NYT investigation shows
11 Sep, 2021 00:05
https://www.rt.com/usa/534545-kabul-dro ... stigation/

A new investigation claims that a US drone strike in Kabul did not take out a dangerous terrorist driving a car bomb, but an innocent Afghan aid worker employed by an American NGO, and the children who came to greet him.

The Pentagon’s official version said that the August 29 drone strike targeted a white Toyota belonging to Islamic State Khorasan (ISIS-K), a terrorist group that took credit for the killing of 13 US troops and 170-plus Afghan civilians at the Kabul airport several days prior. Multiple officials claimed that “secondary explosions” proved the car was rigged with explosives.

A New York Times visual investigation published Friday, however, found no traces of secondary explosions, only the fragments of a Hellfire missile that killed Zemari Ahmadi and seven children.

The outlet conducted interviews with survivors on the ground, checked security camera footage and satellite imagery, and put everything together in a 10-minute video. Every step of the way, it shows that the official version of events simply doesn’t hold water.

Ahmadi had worked for 14 years at Nutrition & Education International, an American NGO that set up soy factories and distributed food to malnourished Afghans. He was having a normal day on August 29, picking up colleagues on the way to breakfast and the NGO office in the Karte Seh neighborhood of Kabul.

What the US military interpreted as a series of suspicious movements was a typical day in Ahmadi’s life, according to five men who were in the car with him, interviewed by a Times reporter. The “suspicious packages” he was loading into the car were containers Ahmadi filled with water at the office, because his neighborhood was dealing with a water shortage.

When Ahmadi drove home, the car was surrounded by neighborhood children. Yet the drone strike team claimed they had only seen one adult male present. An MQ-9 Reaper drone then fired one 20-pound Hellfire missile at the car.

The US military claimed large secondary explosions proved the car was in fact a bomb intended to kill Americans at the airport. One of the people who said so is Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley.

“At this point, we think that the procedures were correctly followed, and it was a righteous strike,” Milley told reporters on September 1, after the US airlift from Kabul ended.

The Times, however, says its reporter showed photos and videos of the scene to three experts who all agreed the damage was consistent with a single Hellfire strike.

Just days before his death, Ahmadi had applied for a special visa to emigrate to the US with his family. Instead, they were killed in a drone strike the Pentagon triumphantly announced as the killing of an “ISIS-K facilitator.” Local media and the Taliban immediately said that the strike had killed civilians. The final death toll was three adults and seven children.

A week after the attack, RT spoke to Ahmadi’s younger brother Emal, who survived the strike because he was outside in the street. He described the horrifying moments after the Hellfire missile hit their courtyard, killing some of his family members instantly while dooming others to die of terrible injuries.

Calling the Americans “utter liars” for suggesting his brother was somehow linked to ISIS-K, Ahmadi is demanding an investigation into the apparently botched strike. He says neither the Westerners nor local authorities have shown any interest in examining the site of the strike and finding out the facts.

Ahmadi’s relative, Jamshid Yousoufi, whose 2-year-old daughter Sumaya was visiting the family and died in the attack, did not hide his emotions when speaking to RT.

“Without any proof, without any investigation, they attacked us and killed our children, and we will never forgive them,” Yousoufi said.
Typical American. Needing to show proof of their retaliation on ISIS for the Kabul airport bombing, the US Administration ordered the killing of the first Afghan they could find. And, as usual, the killing of a few more children. Because the US can never be seen as losing. They always take revenge, even if the targets are innocent people. Just like in Vietnam, body count that's what matters to the US...

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Re: The ISIS "Terrorist" Americans Killed in Kabul

Post by SteveFoerster » Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:07 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:05 am
Typical American. Needing to show proof of their retaliation on ISIS for the Kabul airport bombing, the US Administration ordered the killing of the first Afghan they could find. And, as usual, the killing of a few more children. Because the US can never be seen as losing. They always take revenge, even if the targets are innocent people. Just like in Vietnam, body count that's what matters to the US...
Considering the murderous regimes you support, you're one to talk about body counts.

That said, however, yes, this is yet another a war crime. All the more reason for military non-interventionism.
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Re: The ISIS "Terrorist" Americans Killed in Kabul

Post by Sertorio » Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:59 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:07 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:05 am
Typical American. Needing to show proof of their retaliation on ISIS for the Kabul airport bombing, the US Administration ordered the killing of the first Afghan they could find. And, as usual, the killing of a few more children. Because the US can never be seen as losing. They always take revenge, even if the targets are innocent people. Just like in Vietnam, body count that's what matters to the US...
Considering the murderous regimes you support, you're one to talk about body counts.

That said, however, yes, this is yet another a war crime. All the more reason for military non-interventionism.
I don't support any regimes, murderous or otherwise. I support some countries' actions directed at putting an end to American hegemonic imperialism.

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Re: The ISIS "Terrorist" Americans Killed in Kabul

Post by SteveFoerster » Sat Sep 11, 2021 8:35 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:59 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:07 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:05 am
Typical American. Needing to show proof of their retaliation on ISIS for the Kabul airport bombing, the US Administration ordered the killing of the first Afghan they could find. And, as usual, the killing of a few more children. Because the US can never be seen as losing. They always take revenge, even if the targets are innocent people. Just like in Vietnam, body count that's what matters to the US...
Considering the murderous regimes you support, you're one to talk about body counts.

That said, however, yes, this is yet another a war crime. All the more reason for military non-interventionism.
I don't support any regimes, murderous or otherwise. I support some countries' actions directed at putting an end to American hegemonic imperialism.
You do much, much more than that. Every day here, you post propaganda pieces put out by murderous regimes, crowing triumphantly about how great they are even when the topic doesn't mention the Americans at all.
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Re: The ISIS "Terrorist" Americans Killed in Kabul

Post by Sertorio » Sat Sep 11, 2021 8:44 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 8:35 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:59 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:07 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:05 am
Typical American. Needing to show proof of their retaliation on ISIS for the Kabul airport bombing, the US Administration ordered the killing of the first Afghan they could find. And, as usual, the killing of a few more children. Because the US can never be seen as losing. They always take revenge, even if the targets are innocent people. Just like in Vietnam, body count that's what matters to the US...
Considering the murderous regimes you support, you're one to talk about body counts.

That said, however, yes, this is yet another a war crime. All the more reason for military non-interventionism.
I don't support any regimes, murderous or otherwise. I support some countries' actions directed at putting an end to American hegemonic imperialism.
You do much, much more than that. Every day here, you post propaganda pieces put out by murderous regimes, crowing triumphantly about how great they are even when the topic doesn't mention the Americans at all.
Those so-called propaganda pieces are mostly factual and the media publishing them are based on countries whose governments are no more murderous than the US Administrations. RT is no worse than CNN and its articles are a lot more reliable. And because, contrarily to you, I read both American and Russian or Chinese media, I have a much broader view of world affairs than you.

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Re: The ISIS "Terrorist" Americans Killed in Kabul

Post by Doc » Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:36 am

It was a diversion from the airport bombing It was "Biden Strong" Never mind that it was a family of nine of an aid worker.
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Re: The ISIS "Terrorist" Americans Killed in Kabul

Post by Milo » Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:03 am

These drone strikes should end.

They are carried out on foreign soil, after some sort of review.

So, obviously they are not done in the vast majority of cases because of something the target did on our soil.

So, what is the criteria? They are planning something? That’s not good enough for me.

My guess is that very few of these plans would ever come about, likely these movements just talk big about them as a recruiting tool.

And how much do we consider that random strikes from the sky encourage others to join these movements?

How much do we consider these movements are far more likely to strike each other than us, thus replacing anti western feelings with resentment of competing movements? America struck against ISK in Afghanistan, after they struck some American troops but ISK opposed the Taliban. maybe it was better to not strike and leave them to fight each other?

Of course, the politicians are worried if they back off on this, and there is an incident, the military will leak they proposed a strike and were denied: political suicide.

In any event, I think we are looking at the beginning of the end now, as these movements acquire drone technology of their own and the norm will become drone v drone. As usual, technology will solve the problem that political courage won’t.

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Re: The ISIS "Terrorist" Americans Killed in Kabul

Post by Sertorio » Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:04 am

Doc wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:36 am
It was a diversion from the airport bombing It was "Biden Strong" Never mind that it was a family of nine of an aid worker.
The trouble is that the US does that all the time. It's policy. That's what bullies do, until someone puts a stop to it...

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Re: The ISIS "Terrorist" Americans Killed in Kabul

Post by Doc » Sat Sep 11, 2021 3:41 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:04 am
Doc wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:36 am
It was a diversion from the airport bombing It was "Biden Strong" Never mind that it was a family of nine of an aid worker.
The trouble is that the US does that all the time. It's policy. That's what bullies do, until someone puts a stop to it...
Not so much as the CCP. I imagine the CCP will put a stop to their all by themselves when they crash their economy.
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Re: The ISIS "Terrorist" Americans Killed in Kabul

Post by SteveFoerster » Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:39 pm

Doc wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 3:41 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:04 am
Doc wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:36 am
It was a diversion from the airport bombing It was "Biden Strong" Never mind that it was a family of nine of an aid worker.
The trouble is that the US does that all the time. It's policy. That's what bullies do, until someone puts a stop to it...
Not so much as the CCP. I imagine the CCP will put a stop to their all by themselves when they crash their economy.
At this point the Chinese and American economies are so interdependent that to crash one is to crash the other.
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