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Re: Venezuela Negotiations Without the US

Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 7:15 am
by Sertorio
Doc wrote:
Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:20 am
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:27 am
Doc wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:24 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:03 pm
neverfail wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:55 pm
Venezuela?

Their primate city, Caracas, has the World's highest rate of violent crime. The country's provincial cities and rural regions are unlikely to be significently better.

Can democracy possibly prosper in a society like that?

Highly unlikely!
It would be easier if the US stopped sabotaging the country. But the US always wants to destroy what it cannot control...
What a great description of Communist Totalitarianism !!!

https://www.dailywire.com/news/cuba-pas ... rterrorism
Cuba Passes ‘Misinformation’ Law Calling Online Criticism Of The Government ‘Cyberterrorism’

By Ben Zeisloft

Sep 7, 2021 DailyWire.com

AMSTERDAM, NETHERLANDS - 2021/07/17: A protester holds a Cuban flag during the demonstration.
Ana Fernandez/SOPA Images/LightRocket via Getty Images

Cuba passed legislation treating “misinformation” as “cyberterrorism.”

The move comes weeks after widespread anti-government protests gripped Cuba, which made international news largely because of photos and videos posted to social media by Cubans on the island. Cuban President Miguel Diaz-Canel explained that the law “goes against misinformation and cyber lies.”

As Reuters reports about Decree 35:

The legislation bans the spread of false news or messages and content deemed offensive or which “incite mobilizations or other acts that upset public order.” It also provides a channel for Cubans to inform on potential contraventions.

Those who have attempted to “subvert the constitutional order” will be considered cyberterrorists. It does not say what the penalties will be for violations.

The legislation drew concern from American lawmakers — including Rep. Maria Salazar (R-FL), a Cuban-American. She said that “the Castro regime intends to criminalize posting on social media — but nothing is going to stop the people of Cuba and their determination to be free.”
Try to deny the Holocaust in the US and see what happens to you...
People get mad at you. But it is not a crime.
You are right as far as the US is concerned, but
Sixteen European countries and Israel have laws against Holocaust denial, the denial of the systematic genocidal killing of approximately six million Jews in Europe by Nazi Germany in the 1930s and 1940s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_ ... ust_denial
Which means that it isn't only Cuba which criminalizes some forms of freedom of speech. A criminalization which I condemn in all situations and in all countries.

Re: Venezuela Negotiations Without the US

Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 7:38 am
by Doc
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Sep 09, 2021 7:15 am
Doc wrote:
Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:20 am
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:27 am
Doc wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:24 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:03 pm
neverfail wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:55 pm
Venezuela?

Their primate city, Caracas, has the World's highest rate of violent crime. The country's provincial cities and rural regions are unlikely to be significently better.

Can democracy possibly prosper in a society like that?

Highly unlikely!
It would be easier if the US stopped sabotaging the country. But the US always wants to destroy what it cannot control...
What a great description of Communist Totalitarianism !!!

https://www.dailywire.com/news/cuba-pas ... rterrorism
Cuba Passes ‘Misinformation’ Law Calling Online Criticism Of The Government ‘Cyberterrorism’

By Ben Zeisloft

Sep 7, 2021 DailyWire.com

AMSTERDAM, NETHERLANDS - 2021/07/17: A protester holds a Cuban flag during the demonstration.
Ana Fernandez/SOPA Images/LightRocket via Getty Images

Cuba passed legislation treating “misinformation” as “cyberterrorism.”

The move comes weeks after widespread anti-government protests gripped Cuba, which made international news largely because of photos and videos posted to social media by Cubans on the island. Cuban President Miguel Diaz-Canel explained that the law “goes against misinformation and cyber lies.”

As Reuters reports about Decree 35:

The legislation bans the spread of false news or messages and content deemed offensive or which “incite mobilizations or other acts that upset public order.” It also provides a channel for Cubans to inform on potential contraventions.

Those who have attempted to “subvert the constitutional order” will be considered cyberterrorists. It does not say what the penalties will be for violations.

The legislation drew concern from American lawmakers — including Rep. Maria Salazar (R-FL), a Cuban-American. She said that “the Castro regime intends to criminalize posting on social media — but nothing is going to stop the people of Cuba and their determination to be free.”
Try to deny the Holocaust in the US and see what happens to you...
People get mad at you. But it is not a crime.
You are right as far as the US is concerned, but
Sixteen European countries and Israel have laws against Holocaust denial, the denial of the systematic genocidal killing of approximately six million Jews in Europe by Nazi Germany in the 1930s and 1940s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_ ... ust_denial
Which means that it isn't only Cuba which criminalizes some forms of freedom of speech. A criminalization which I condemn in all situations and in all countries.
I wasn't aware that the holocaust was the government of those countries... ;)

But yes I too condemn violation of free speech rights. Too much Gunn in the world and not enough Drew. But that is not a reason to force people to STFU.