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Venezuela Negotiations Without the US

Post by Sertorio » Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:03 am

VENEZUELA’S GOVERNMENT AND OPPOSITION WORK TO MEND FENCES, WITHOUT THE U.S.
https://southfront.org/venezuelas-gover ... t-the-u-s/

The United States has been focused elsewhere for a while and Venezuela appears en route to solve its problems on its own.

Two delegations – one representing President Nicholas Maduro’s government and another the opposition under Juan Guaido met in Mexico in an attempt to mend fences.

“We have been working mainly on partial agreements, especially those related to serving the people of Venezuela,” parliament speaker Jorge Rodriguez, who led the government delegation said.

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has called for the lifting of international sanctions and demanded the opposition recognize the authority of the government.

Maduro has previously demanded that all “legitimate authorities of Venezuela” be recognized and has called on the opposition renounce violence. He has urged the US and western powers to drop sanctions on Venezuela, which he believes are behind the country’s severe economic crisis.

The opposition made no mention of sanctions, but called for fair and free elections and said it wanted to take part in upcoming local polls.

The opposition has called for the release of political prisoners and the entry of humanitarian assistance, such as coronavirus vaccines, into Venezuela.

Neither Maduro nor Guaido are personally attending the Mexico talks.

“Our aim is to reach an agreement that resolves the conflict through a free and fair presidential and parliamentary election, with guarantees,” Guaido said in a video published on social media.

The government is “very attentive” to all the economic guarantees that have been “wrested, blocked, stolen, withdrawn from the people of Venezuela”, added Rodriguez.

Opposition delegation leader in Mexico, Gerardo Blyde, on his part said:

“It is a process which is beginning, which is hard, complex.” He said the goal was “to alleviate the crisis” caused by “very serious basic problems.”

The negotiations in Mexico kicked off in mid-August, with the government and opposition delegations signing a memorandum of understanding during an opening ceremony.

Some concessions have been made, as the government released opposition leader Freddy Guevara from prison. The opposition promised to take part in the regional elections.

The move to participate in elections is a reversal of a three-year boycott by the opposition and bolsters Maduro’s political legitimacy.

Tensions escalated in January 2019 following a contested presidential election between Maduro and Guaido. Maduro won with a landslide.

The situation briefly spiraled out of control when the United States said it recognized Juan Guaido’s as Venezuela’s “interim president”.

Then a massive fiasco transpired, with alleged terror attacks, blocking of humanitarian aid accused of not being “humanitarian” at all, incursions by obscure “hit squads” and more.

Venezuela has teetered on the brink of economic collapse since 2013, with the country witnessing hyperinflation and shortages of food and other necessities.

The Latin American nation has also struggled to cope with the ongoing coronavirus pandemic, as doctors and healthcare workers have left Venezuela en masse in recent years.

To assist in that, the US imposed heavy sanctions on officials and state businesses of Venezuela to pressure Maduro in resigning with his entire government and allowing the US-backed opposition to take control.

That failed entirely, as two years later the two sides are simply choosing to negotiate and solve the crisis, with Washington nowhere to be seen.
This is a it should be. The government and opposition of Venezuela are negotiating on neutral ground, without the interference of the US. Participation by the opposition in the coming elections may be a first step towards a more democratic situation in Venezuela, without any denial of legitimacy of the present government. The US and the EU will be looking increasingly foolish...

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Re: Venezuela Negotiations Without the US

Post by Doc » Mon Sep 06, 2021 6:56 am

Sertorio wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:03 am
VENEZUELA’S GOVERNMENT AND OPPOSITION WORK TO MEND FENCES, WITHOUT THE U.S.
https://southfront.org/venezuelas-gover ... t-the-u-s/

The United States has been focused elsewhere for a while and Venezuela appears en route to solve its problems on its own.

Two delegations – one representing President Nicholas Maduro’s government and another the opposition under Juan Guaido met in Mexico in an attempt to mend fences.

“We have been working mainly on partial agreements, especially those related to serving the people of Venezuela,” parliament speaker Jorge Rodriguez, who led the government delegation said.

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has called for the lifting of international sanctions and demanded the opposition recognize the authority of the government.

Maduro has previously demanded that all “legitimate authorities of Venezuela” be recognized and has called on the opposition renounce violence. He has urged the US and western powers to drop sanctions on Venezuela, which he believes are behind the country’s severe economic crisis.

The opposition made no mention of sanctions, but called for fair and free elections and said it wanted to take part in upcoming local polls.

The opposition has called for the release of political prisoners and the entry of humanitarian assistance, such as coronavirus vaccines, into Venezuela.

Neither Maduro nor Guaido are personally attending the Mexico talks.

“Our aim is to reach an agreement that resolves the conflict through a free and fair presidential and parliamentary election, with guarantees,” Guaido said in a video published on social media.

The government is “very attentive” to all the economic guarantees that have been “wrested, blocked, stolen, withdrawn from the people of Venezuela”, added Rodriguez.

Opposition delegation leader in Mexico, Gerardo Blyde, on his part said:

“It is a process which is beginning, which is hard, complex.” He said the goal was “to alleviate the crisis” caused by “very serious basic problems.”

The negotiations in Mexico kicked off in mid-August, with the government and opposition delegations signing a memorandum of understanding during an opening ceremony.

Some concessions have been made, as the government released opposition leader Freddy Guevara from prison. The opposition promised to take part in the regional elections.

The move to participate in elections is a reversal of a three-year boycott by the opposition and bolsters Maduro’s political legitimacy.

Tensions escalated in January 2019 following a contested presidential election between Maduro and Guaido. Maduro won with a landslide.

The situation briefly spiraled out of control when the United States said it recognized Juan Guaido’s as Venezuela’s “interim president”.

Then a massive fiasco transpired, with alleged terror attacks, blocking of humanitarian aid accused of not being “humanitarian” at all, incursions by obscure “hit squads” and more.

Venezuela has teetered on the brink of economic collapse since 2013, with the country witnessing hyperinflation and shortages of food and other necessities.

The Latin American nation has also struggled to cope with the ongoing coronavirus pandemic, as doctors and healthcare workers have left Venezuela en masse in recent years.

To assist in that, the US imposed heavy sanctions on officials and state businesses of Venezuela to pressure Maduro in resigning with his entire government and allowing the US-backed opposition to take control.

That failed entirely, as two years later the two sides are simply choosing to negotiate and solve the crisis, with Washington nowhere to be seen.
This is a it should be. The government and opposition of Venezuela are negotiating on neutral ground, without the interference of the US. Participation by the opposition in the coming elections may be a first step towards a more democratic situation in Venezuela, without any denial of legitimacy of the present government. The US and the EU will be looking increasingly foolish...
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Re: Venezuela Negotiations Without the US

Post by Doc » Mon Sep 06, 2021 10:31 am

Sertorio wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:03 am
VENEZUELA’S GOVERNMENT AND OPPOSITION WORK TO MEND FENCES, WITHOUT THE U.S.
https://southfront.org/venezuelas-gover ... t-the-u-s/

The United States has been focused elsewhere for a while and Venezuela appears en route to solve its problems on its own.

Two delegations – one representing President Nicholas Maduro’s government and another the opposition under Juan Guaido met in Mexico in an attempt to mend fences.

“We have been working mainly on partial agreements, especially those related to serving the people of Venezuela,” parliament speaker Jorge Rodriguez, who led the government delegation said.

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has called for the lifting of international sanctions and demanded the opposition recognize the authority of the government.

Maduro has previously demanded that all “legitimate authorities of Venezuela” be recognized and has called on the opposition renounce violence. He has urged the US and western powers to drop sanctions on Venezuela, which he believes are behind the country’s severe economic crisis.

The opposition made no mention of sanctions, but called for fair and free elections and said it wanted to take part in upcoming local polls.

The opposition has called for the release of political prisoners and the entry of humanitarian assistance, such as coronavirus vaccines, into Venezuela.

Neither Maduro nor Guaido are personally attending the Mexico talks.

“Our aim is to reach an agreement that resolves the conflict through a free and fair presidential and parliamentary election, with guarantees,” Guaido said in a video published on social media.

The government is “very attentive” to all the economic guarantees that have been “wrested, blocked, stolen, withdrawn from the people of Venezuela”, added Rodriguez.

Opposition delegation leader in Mexico, Gerardo Blyde, on his part said:

“It is a process which is beginning, which is hard, complex.” He said the goal was “to alleviate the crisis” caused by “very serious basic problems.”

The negotiations in Mexico kicked off in mid-August, with the government and opposition delegations signing a memorandum of understanding during an opening ceremony.

Some concessions have been made, as the government released opposition leader Freddy Guevara from prison. The opposition promised to take part in the regional elections.

The move to participate in elections is a reversal of a three-year boycott by the opposition and bolsters Maduro’s political legitimacy.

Tensions escalated in January 2019 following a contested presidential election between Maduro and Guaido. Maduro won with a landslide.

The situation briefly spiraled out of control when the United States said it recognized Juan Guaido’s as Venezuela’s “interim president”.

Then a massive fiasco transpired, with alleged terror attacks, blocking of humanitarian aid accused of not being “humanitarian” at all, incursions by obscure “hit squads” and more.

Venezuela has teetered on the brink of economic collapse since 2013, with the country witnessing hyperinflation and shortages of food and other necessities.

The Latin American nation has also struggled to cope with the ongoing coronavirus pandemic, as doctors and healthcare workers have left Venezuela en masse in recent years.

To assist in that, the US imposed heavy sanctions on officials and state businesses of Venezuela to pressure Maduro in resigning with his entire government and allowing the US-backed opposition to take control.

That failed entirely, as two years later the two sides are simply choosing to negotiate and solve the crisis, with Washington nowhere to be seen.
This is a it should be. The government and opposition of Venezuela are negotiating on neutral ground, without the interference of the US. Participation by the opposition in the coming elections may be a first step towards a more democratic situation in Venezuela, without any denial of legitimacy of the present government. The US and the EU will be looking increasingly foolish...
Yeah sure
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Re: Venezuela Negotiations Without the US

Post by SteveFoerster » Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:29 pm

If anything, this is even worse than your usual "sources":

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/south-front/
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Re: Venezuela Negotiations Without the US

Post by Sertorio » Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:47 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:29 pm
If anything, this is even worse than your usual "sources":

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/south-front/
When will you start caring about the message and not the messenger?
Founded in 2015, South Front is a Russian propaganda website that claims to be non-profit and non-partisan. According to their about page, South Front is a “public analytical umbrella organization created and maintained by a team of experts and volunteers from the four corners of the Earth. SouthFront focuses on issues of international relations, armed conflicts, and crises. The organization provides military operations analysis, military posture of major world powers, and other important data influencing the growth of tensions between countries and nations.”

The website lacks transparency as they do not name an owner or editors and articles lack author names and bios.

In 2016, South Front was accused of being a Russian propaganda tool. In another 2016 article, they were accused of “spreading Russian propaganda during the [U.S.] election.” Finally, in 2017, their Wikipedia page was deleted due to being a non-reliable source.
Who decides that a medium is some country's propaganda tool? Based on what criteria? Who "accused" South Front? Based on what?... A propaganda website accusing another of propaganda... Funny, indeed...

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Re: Venezuela Negotiations Without the US

Post by Doc » Tue Sep 07, 2021 5:10 am

Sertorio wrote:
Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:47 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:29 pm
If anything, this is even worse than your usual "sources":

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/south-front/
When will you start caring about the message and not the messenger?
Founded in 2015, South Front is a Russian propaganda website that claims to be non-profit and non-partisan. According to their about page, South Front is a “public analytical umbrella organization created and maintained by a team of experts and volunteers from the four corners of the Earth. SouthFront focuses on issues of international relations, armed conflicts, and crises. The organization provides military operations analysis, military posture of major world powers, and other important data influencing the growth of tensions between countries and nations.”

The website lacks transparency as they do not name an owner or editors and articles lack author names and bios.

In 2016, South Front was accused of being a Russian propaganda tool. In another 2016 article, they were accused of “spreading Russian propaganda during the [U.S.] election.” Finally, in 2017, their Wikipedia page was deleted due to being a non-reliable source.
Who decides that a medium is some country's propaganda tool? Based on what criteria? Who "accused" South Front? Based on what?... A propaganda website accusing another of propaganda... Funny, indeed...
The spin in the article is obvious. Funny that you don't acknowledge that. :lol:
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Re: Venezuela Negotiations Without the US

Post by Sertorio » Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:20 am

Doc wrote:
Tue Sep 07, 2021 5:10 am
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:47 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:29 pm
If anything, this is even worse than your usual "sources":

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/south-front/
When will you start caring about the message and not the messenger?
Founded in 2015, South Front is a Russian propaganda website that claims to be non-profit and non-partisan. According to their about page, South Front is a “public analytical umbrella organization created and maintained by a team of experts and volunteers from the four corners of the Earth. SouthFront focuses on issues of international relations, armed conflicts, and crises. The organization provides military operations analysis, military posture of major world powers, and other important data influencing the growth of tensions between countries and nations.”

The website lacks transparency as they do not name an owner or editors and articles lack author names and bios.

In 2016, South Front was accused of being a Russian propaganda tool. In another 2016 article, they were accused of “spreading Russian propaganda during the [U.S.] election.” Finally, in 2017, their Wikipedia page was deleted due to being a non-reliable source.
Who decides that a medium is some country's propaganda tool? Based on what criteria? Who "accused" South Front? Based on what?... A propaganda website accusing another of propaganda... Funny, indeed...
The spin in the article is obvious. Funny that you don't acknowledge that. :lol:
Please enlighten me...

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Re: Venezuela Negotiations Without the US

Post by SteveFoerster » Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:13 am

Doc wrote:
Tue Sep 07, 2021 5:10 am
The spin in the article is obvious. Funny that you don't acknowledge that. :lol:
He doesn't care. The U.S. is the Great Satan, and any regime in opposition to it, however loathsome, must therefore be embraced. It doesn't matter how obvious the lies are that must be taken as true. It doesn't matter how large the body count that must be overlooked.
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Re: Venezuela Negotiations Without the US

Post by Sertorio » Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:50 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:13 am
Doc wrote:
Tue Sep 07, 2021 5:10 am
The spin in the article is obvious. Funny that you don't acknowledge that. :lol:
He doesn't care. The U.S. is the Great Satan, and any regime in opposition to it, however loathsome, must therefore be embraced. It doesn't matter how obvious the lies are that must be taken as true. It doesn't matter how large the body count that must be overlooked.
Destroying American hegemonic power is the top one priority. And, don't fear, it can be done without inflicting any injury on the Chinese and Russian peoples.

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Re: Venezuela Negotiations Without the US

Post by Doc » Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:26 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:13 am
Doc wrote:
Tue Sep 07, 2021 5:10 am
The spin in the article is obvious. Funny that you don't acknowledge that. :lol:
He doesn't care. The U.S. is the Great Satan, and any regime in opposition to it, however loathsome, must therefore be embraced. It doesn't matter how obvious the lies are that must be taken as true. It doesn't matter how large the body count that must be overlooked.
I once went on a walk through of an old large multi-story building with my boss at that time and a real estate agent. The agent kept saying "Not a crack anywhere" Even though there were cracks everywhere 1/2 inch wide on the surface in places. Maybe Sertorio missed his true profession. :P
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