As often happens to those overcome by the zeal to proselytise, you're way off the mark. As much as I like technological progress, I don't see it as a synonym for civilisation, I see them as orthogonal.neverfail wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:17 amSo what?
Your undue focus on technological attainment as the benchmark standard for "civilisation" befits a man who cannot see beyond our finite life of but several decades in this world to the eternal afterlife beyond. Like Sertorio you seem to crave an earthly paradise through "progress" as an ungodly substitute: even though your definition of progress and his may differ.
In fact, let me tell you a story to illustrate this. Dominica is a very mountainous island, and because of this the only place flat enough to put an airport that could handle regional flights is on the opposite side from the main town, a trip by car that takes over an hour. The high mountains of the interior sift moisture out of the air, causing an enormous amount of rainfall in the highlands, which makes it difficult to keep the roads in good repair.
One time coming back from a trip I was in a taxi going from the airport to the village where I lived. One going over a particularly bumpy patch of road the taximan remarked that maintaining civilisation there. So I said it was okay, that civilisation isn't about roads and cars, it's about how people behave.
In fact I only brought it up for the opposite reason, because arguments were being made like that Notre Dame shows that Christendom was more advanced than Antiquity.
Since the question requires acceptance of supernatural concepts that I don't believe are real, my answer is neither yes nor no, but mu.
But I will say that Norman Borlaug did more for humanity than any Saint I can think of.
A better question is whether fifteen centuries of Christendom in the West has made its people noticeably nicer than those from other places, and I would definitely answer that one with "No."