The coming breakup of South Africa

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Re: The coming breakup of South Africa

Post by Apollonius » Fri Nov 12, 2021 9:48 am

The ANC destroyed South Africa - Brian Pottinger, UnHerd, 5 November 2021
https://unherd.com/2021/11/how-the-anc- ... th-africa/


Corrupt politicians care little for the fracturing nation


... Thanks to the long-tail legacy of apartheid’s policy of residential segregation, many of the country’s suburbs are still largely racially defined. These are the citadels into which the minority communities retreat to enjoy their lives, ply their politics, conduct their businesses, pray, shop, school their young and, if necessary, take up arms to protect themselves when Ramaphosa’s State goes AWOL, as it did in the July Troubles.

For decades now these informal cantons have become ever more self-sufficient: they have private police, hospitals, schools and an army of fixers to mediate between them and a truly appalling bureaucracy. So-called Public-Private Partnerships control large public business and tourist spaces, property developers build public roads, private companies manage water reticulation and major road routes are maintained by private enterprise.

Recent Government policy allows for Independent Power Producers: energy self-sufficiency is now within the grasp of these localised and internally expatriated communities.

And thus the contours of a new and informal cantonal South African state is emerging after 27 years of ANC misrule: self-sufficient and defensive pockets of privilege scattered in the interior and in a coastal arc from the Mozambican border on the Indian Ocean to the Namibian border on the Atlantic. All of this new South Africa is set in a sea of rural and urban poverty presided over by a ghostlike State managed by a collapsed and indifferent bureaucracy and a squabbling and corrupt political class. The old feel-good notions of a non-racial South Africa, Archbishop Tutu’s famous Rainbow Nation, were naïve and are now dead. Cold reality rules.

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Re: The coming breakup of South Africa

Post by neverfail » Fri Nov 12, 2021 1:31 pm

Apollonius wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 9:48 am
The ANC destroyed South Africa - Brian Pottinger, UnHerd, 5 November 2021
https://unherd.com/2021/11/how-the-anc- ... th-africa/


Corrupt politicians care little for the fracturing nation


... Thanks to the long-tail legacy of apartheid’s policy of residential segregation, many of the country’s suburbs are still largely racially defined. These are the citadels into which the minority communities retreat to enjoy their lives, ply their politics, conduct their businesses, pray, shop, school their young and, if necessary, take up arms to protect themselves when Ramaphosa’s State goes AWOL, as it did in the July Troubles.

For decades now these informal cantons have become ever more self-sufficient: they have private police, hospitals, schools and an army of fixers to mediate between them and a truly appalling bureaucracy. So-called Public-Private Partnerships control large public business and tourist spaces, property developers build public roads, private companies manage water reticulation and major road routes are maintained by private enterprise.

Recent Government policy allows for Independent Power Producers: energy self-sufficiency is now within the grasp of these localised and internally expatriated communities.

And thus the contours of a new and informal cantonal South African state is emerging after 27 years of ANC misrule: self-sufficient and defensive pockets of privilege scattered in the interior and in a coastal arc from the Mozambican border on the Indian Ocean to the Namibian border on the Atlantic. All of this new South Africa is set in a sea of rural and urban poverty presided over by a ghostlike State managed by a collapsed and indifferent bureaucracy and a squabbling and corrupt political class. The old feel-good notions of a non-racial South Africa, Archbishop Tutu’s famous Rainbow Nation, were naïve and are now dead. Cold reality rules.
I believe that Afrikaaner minority through their Nationalist Party constructed their Apartheid structure of segregation and control not out of any wish to inflict oppression and unwonted hardship on the black majority population - that was more like a side effect of the policy - but out of plain fear. Terror at their own bleak prospects for long term survival should the blacks ever gain control.

Let us not therefore think or speak in terms of "white privelege" but rather of white self-preservation. Is South Africa goes on to break up in a state of civil war upheaval the worst fears of the mid-20th century architects of Apartheid will come to be realised.

(It will have global implecations if it happens.)

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Re: The coming breakup of South Africa

Post by Milo » Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:08 pm

neverfail wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 1:31 pm
Apollonius wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 9:48 am
The ANC destroyed South Africa - Brian Pottinger, UnHerd, 5 November 2021
https://unherd.com/2021/11/how-the-anc- ... th-africa/


Corrupt politicians care little for the fracturing nation


... Thanks to the long-tail legacy of apartheid’s policy of residential segregation, many of the country’s suburbs are still largely racially defined. These are the citadels into which the minority communities retreat to enjoy their lives, ply their politics, conduct their businesses, pray, shop, school their young and, if necessary, take up arms to protect themselves when Ramaphosa’s State goes AWOL, as it did in the July Troubles.

For decades now these informal cantons have become ever more self-sufficient: they have private police, hospitals, schools and an army of fixers to mediate between them and a truly appalling bureaucracy. So-called Public-Private Partnerships control large public business and tourist spaces, property developers build public roads, private companies manage water reticulation and major road routes are maintained by private enterprise.

Recent Government policy allows for Independent Power Producers: energy self-sufficiency is now within the grasp of these localised and internally expatriated communities.

And thus the contours of a new and informal cantonal South African state is emerging after 27 years of ANC misrule: self-sufficient and defensive pockets of privilege scattered in the interior and in a coastal arc from the Mozambican border on the Indian Ocean to the Namibian border on the Atlantic. All of this new South Africa is set in a sea of rural and urban poverty presided over by a ghostlike State managed by a collapsed and indifferent bureaucracy and a squabbling and corrupt political class. The old feel-good notions of a non-racial South Africa, Archbishop Tutu’s famous Rainbow Nation, were naïve and are now dead. Cold reality rules.
I believe that Afrikaaner minority through their Nationalist Party constructed their Apartheid structure of segregation and control not out of any wish to inflict oppression and unwonted hardship on the black majority population - that was more like a side effect of the policy - but out of plain fear. Terror at their own bleak prospects for long term survival should the blacks ever gain control.

Let us not therefore think or speak in terms of "white privelege" but rather of white self-preservation. Is South Africa goes on to break up in a state of civil war upheaval the worst fears of the mid-20th century architects of Apartheid will come to be realised.

(It will have global implecations if it happens.)
Thank you NF for posting this, I wanted to check into this story, and we do not see very much of it in Canada.

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Re: The coming breakup of South Africa

Post by Sertorio » Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:30 am

neverfail wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 1:31 pm
Apollonius wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 9:48 am
The ANC destroyed South Africa - Brian Pottinger, UnHerd, 5 November 2021
https://unherd.com/2021/11/how-the-anc- ... th-africa/


Corrupt politicians care little for the fracturing nation


... Thanks to the long-tail legacy of apartheid’s policy of residential segregation, many of the country’s suburbs are still largely racially defined. These are the citadels into which the minority communities retreat to enjoy their lives, ply their politics, conduct their businesses, pray, shop, school their young and, if necessary, take up arms to protect themselves when Ramaphosa’s State goes AWOL, as it did in the July Troubles.

For decades now these informal cantons have become ever more self-sufficient: they have private police, hospitals, schools and an army of fixers to mediate between them and a truly appalling bureaucracy. So-called Public-Private Partnerships control large public business and tourist spaces, property developers build public roads, private companies manage water reticulation and major road routes are maintained by private enterprise.

Recent Government policy allows for Independent Power Producers: energy self-sufficiency is now within the grasp of these localised and internally expatriated communities.

And thus the contours of a new and informal cantonal South African state is emerging after 27 years of ANC misrule: self-sufficient and defensive pockets of privilege scattered in the interior and in a coastal arc from the Mozambican border on the Indian Ocean to the Namibian border on the Atlantic. All of this new South Africa is set in a sea of rural and urban poverty presided over by a ghostlike State managed by a collapsed and indifferent bureaucracy and a squabbling and corrupt political class. The old feel-good notions of a non-racial South Africa, Archbishop Tutu’s famous Rainbow Nation, were naïve and are now dead. Cold reality rules.
I believe that Afrikaaner minority through their Nationalist Party constructed their Apartheid structure of segregation and control not out of any wish to inflict oppression and unwonted hardship on the black majority population - that was more like a side effect of the policy - but out of plain fear. Terror at their own bleak prospects for long term survival should the blacks ever gain control.

Let us not therefore think or speak in terms of "white privelege" but rather of white self-preservation. Is South Africa goes on to break up in a state of civil war upheaval the worst fears of the mid-20th century architects of Apartheid will come to be realised.

(It will have global implecations if it happens.)
People with a strong feeling of identity, either cultural, racial or religious, are either willing to blend with other different communities, or they are not. If their rejection of different people is very strong the only alternative is apartheid, provided each community is allowed to live free and independent. Which was not the case in South Africa. Had the Afrikaners been willing to go all the way and partition their country, apartheid would have not been wrong. But their slogan "separate but equal" was a fraud, and so they failed. The alternative, which is forcing people who do not want to mingle to live together, is a recipe for disaster, and has nothing to do with human rights.

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Re: The coming breakup of South Africa

Post by neverfail » Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:45 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:30 am

People with a strong feeling of identity, either cultural, racial or religious, are either willing to blend with other different communities, or they are not. If their rejection of different people is very strong the only alternative is apartheid, provided each community is allowed to live free and independent. Which was not the case in South Africa. Had the Afrikaners been willing to go all the way and partition their country, apartheid would have not been wrong. But their slogan "separate but equal" was a fraud, and so they failed. The alternative, which is forcing people who do not want to mingle to live together, is a recipe for disaster, and has nothing to do with human rights.
Wisely observed and stated, Sertorio. Thanks!

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Re: The coming breakup of South Africa

Post by Apollonius » Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:30 am

neverfail wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 1:31 pm
I believe that Afrikaaner minority through their Nationalist Party constructed their Apartheid structure of segregation and control not out of any wish to inflict oppression and unwonted hardship on the black majority population - that was more like a side effect of the policy - but out of plain fear. Terror at their own bleak prospects for long term survival should the blacks ever gain control.

Let us not therefore think or speak in terms of "white privelege" but rather of white self-preservation. Is South Africa goes on to break up in a state of civil war upheaval the worst fears of the mid-20th century architects of Apartheid will come to be realised.

(It will have global implecations if it happens.)


South Africa is a bellwether for the U.S. and for Western nations in general, in the long run quite possibly more for Europe than even America.

In its present permutation it was the first nation created explicitly to be an exemplar of the globalist-multiculturalist 'rainbow' countries that elites want the whole world to become. Like most of their plans no attention was paid to conditions on the ground, much less human nature or the desires of the people actually living there.

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Re: The coming breakup of South Africa

Post by Milo » Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:30 am

No state funeral for FW de Klerk, who did more to end apartheid than anyone.

SA is not likely to heal until it can accommodate its past.

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Re: The coming breakup of South Africa

Post by neverfail » Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:23 pm

Apollonius wrote:
Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:30 am
In its present permutation it was the first nation created explicitly to be an exemplar of the globalist-multiculturalist 'rainbow' countries that elites want the whole world to become. Like most of their plans no attention was paid to conditions on the ground, much less human nature or the desires of the people actually living there.
With all due respects Apollonius I don't quite see it your way.

I see the end of Apartheid as another example of American "soft power" projected globally at work.

There is and always has been within America's own white population men and women disturbed by the lowly status of blacks in their country. It seems to go against what America purportedly stands for. Some have even felt highly motivated enough about it to take political action: back in Abe Lincoln's time as now. That old struggle seems to have something of a universal appeal about it with no apparent shortage of foreign sympathisers abroad.

The Western powers laid off South Africa for decades. Even though it had no formal alliance with the United States nor any of its allies it successfully projected itself abroad as anti-Communist and therefore a defacto Cold War ally. Meantime the ANC and black political fellow-travellers were soliciting and getting international support from the USSR. (They still believe in South Africa that Apartheid would never have been brought to an end withiut that support they got from the Soviet Union - which is probably why "socialism" still has a benign image in the minds of black South Africans). By the beginning of the 1980's South Africa and Apartheid had become too much of an embarrasment for the Western powers to ignore any longer.

They helped to bring down the South African regime by hitting South Africa at its main point of vulnerability - its economy. South Africa relied and still relies on international commerce and trade for at least 60% of its GDP. If the rest of the world stops trading with it South Africa fails. These powers placed sanctions on its prime exports; bans on investments in this country which sapped the viability of their economy. (I recall how from 1983 onwards even Australia jumped on to that bandwagon with the Hawke government proactively lobbying importing countries like Japan to cease importing mineral raw materials like iron ore and manganese from South Africa and buy these from Australia instead). It must have been the economic pain that moved De Clerk and his faction to finally release Nelson Mandela from prison and negotiate the handover of power.

With hindsight, I consider South Africa to have been a sacrifical lamb extension of United States domestic politics - specifically a bi-product of America's still unresolved racial hang-up.

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