Beijing "honours" Australia.

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Re: Beijing "honours" Australia.

Post by Doc » Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:41 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:31 am
Milo wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:27 am
Sertorio wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:45 am
neverfail wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:23 am
Sertorio wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:58 am
neverfail wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:04 pm


Do you think that the US Pacific fleet will finally steam up to those artifical Chinese held islands and serve the PLA garrisons there with their eviction notice?
That you can even imagine such a thing possible is scary...
Well, that the PRC had the effrontery to grab those former reefs and shoals is scary too....
Fait accompli...Just accept it...
I don't know what will happen but several countries are amassing forces in the region, forces that China can't match.
I doubt China would be unable to match any gathered forces, or at least to dispose of them. Ships can and will be sunk by missiles. China does not need to amass an equal number of ships to sink those which show up. The closeness of China's shore bases would make that quite possible, while the enemy would be forced to gather a large naval force to face what China could use against them. The South China Sea is strongly controlled by China and there is nothing the US and its allies can do to counter it.
Those islands would be lost to the CCP in 24 hours. They are not big enough to be defensible. Not only that the man made islands are deteriorating and are unstable.
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Re: Beijing "honours" Australia.

Post by Milo » Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:02 pm

Doc wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:41 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:31 am
Milo wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:27 am
Sertorio wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:45 am
neverfail wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:23 am
Sertorio wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:58 am


That you can even imagine such a thing possible is scary...
Well, that the PRC had the effrontery to grab those former reefs and shoals is scary too....
Fait accompli...Just accept it...
I don't know what will happen but several countries are amassing forces in the region, forces that China can't match.
I doubt China would be unable to match any gathered forces, or at least to dispose of them. Ships can and will be sunk by missiles. China does not need to amass an equal number of ships to sink those which show up. The closeness of China's shore bases would make that quite possible, while the enemy would be forced to gather a large naval force to face what China could use against them. The South China Sea is strongly controlled by China and there is nothing the US and its allies can do to counter it.
Those islands would be lost to the CCP in 24 hours. They are not big enough to be defensible. Not only that the man made islands are deteriorating and are unstable.
Maybe the US will just evacuate them and blow them up.

Forces are being amassed, that is obvious.

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Re: Beijing "honours" Australia.

Post by Sertorio » Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:30 am

Doc wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:41 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:31 am
Milo wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:27 am
Sertorio wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:45 am
neverfail wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:23 am
Sertorio wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:58 am


That you can even imagine such a thing possible is scary...
Well, that the PRC had the effrontery to grab those former reefs and shoals is scary too....
Fait accompli...Just accept it...
I don't know what will happen but several countries are amassing forces in the region, forces that China can't match.
I doubt China would be unable to match any gathered forces, or at least to dispose of them. Ships can and will be sunk by missiles. China does not need to amass an equal number of ships to sink those which show up. The closeness of China's shore bases would make that quite possible, while the enemy would be forced to gather a large naval force to face what China could use against them. The South China Sea is strongly controlled by China and there is nothing the US and its allies can do to counter it.
Those islands would be lost to the CCP in 24 hours. They are not big enough to be defensible. Not only that the man made islands are deteriorating and are unstable.
The defense of the islands is the sinking of the enemy craft, something China could do quite easily.

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Re: Beijing "honours" Australia.

Post by Doc » Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:13 am

Sertorio wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:30 am
Doc wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:41 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:31 am
Milo wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:27 am
Sertorio wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:45 am
neverfail wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:23 am


Well, that the PRC had the effrontery to grab those former reefs and shoals is scary too....
Fait accompli...Just accept it...
I don't know what will happen but several countries are amassing forces in the region, forces that China can't match.
I doubt China would be unable to match any gathered forces, or at least to dispose of them. Ships can and will be sunk by missiles. China does not need to amass an equal number of ships to sink those which show up. The closeness of China's shore bases would make that quite possible, while the enemy would be forced to gather a large naval force to face what China could use against them. The South China Sea is strongly controlled by China and there is nothing the US and its allies can do to counter it.
Those islands would be lost to the CCP in 24 hours. They are not big enough to be defensible. Not only that the man made islands are deteriorating and are unstable.
The defense of the islands is the sinking of the enemy craft, something China could do quite easily.
Sink them with what? The US can bomb them back into the ocean from far far away.
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Re: Beijing "honours" Australia.

Post by Sertorio » Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:28 am

Doc wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:13 am
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:30 am
Doc wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:41 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:31 am
Milo wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:27 am
Sertorio wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:45 am


Fait accompli...Just accept it...
I don't know what will happen but several countries are amassing forces in the region, forces that China can't match.
I doubt China would be unable to match any gathered forces, or at least to dispose of them. Ships can and will be sunk by missiles. China does not need to amass an equal number of ships to sink those which show up. The closeness of China's shore bases would make that quite possible, while the enemy would be forced to gather a large naval force to face what China could use against them. The South China Sea is strongly controlled by China and there is nothing the US and its allies can do to counter it.
Those islands would be lost to the CCP in 24 hours. They are not big enough to be defensible. Not only that the man made islands are deteriorating and are unstable.
The defense of the islands is the sinking of the enemy craft, something China could do quite easily.
Sink them with what? The US can bomb them back into the ocean from far far away.
With what? With missiles, torpedoes and cruise missiles launched from the Chinese fleet, air force and shore batteries. Just wait and you will see how it's done... :P

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Re: Beijing "honours" Australia.

Post by Doc » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:14 am

Sertorio wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:28 am
Doc wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:13 am
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:30 am
Doc wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:41 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:31 am
Milo wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:27 am


I don't know what will happen but several countries are amassing forces in the region, forces that China can't match.
I doubt China would be unable to match any gathered forces, or at least to dispose of them. Ships can and will be sunk by missiles. China does not need to amass an equal number of ships to sink those which show up. The closeness of China's shore bases would make that quite possible, while the enemy would be forced to gather a large naval force to face what China could use against them. The South China Sea is strongly controlled by China and there is nothing the US and its allies can do to counter it.
Those islands would be lost to the CCP in 24 hours. They are not big enough to be defensible. Not only that the man made islands are deteriorating and are unstable.
The defense of the islands is the sinking of the enemy craft, something China could do quite easily.
Sink them with what? The US can bomb them back into the ocean from far far away.
With what? With missiles, torpedoes and cruise missiles launched from the Chinese fleet, air force and shore batteries. Just wait and you will see how it's done... :P
Gee I hope the CCP doesn't sink all our B2 bombers and advanced cruse missiles.
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Re: Beijing "honours" Australia.

Post by Sertorio » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:55 am

Doc wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:14 am
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:28 am
Doc wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:13 am
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:30 am
Doc wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:41 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:31 am


I doubt China would be unable to match any gathered forces, or at least to dispose of them. Ships can and will be sunk by missiles. China does not need to amass an equal number of ships to sink those which show up. The closeness of China's shore bases would make that quite possible, while the enemy would be forced to gather a large naval force to face what China could use against them. The South China Sea is strongly controlled by China and there is nothing the US and its allies can do to counter it.
Those islands would be lost to the CCP in 24 hours. They are not big enough to be defensible. Not only that the man made islands are deteriorating and are unstable.
The defense of the islands is the sinking of the enemy craft, something China could do quite easily.
Sink them with what? The US can bomb them back into the ocean from far far away.
With what? With missiles, torpedoes and cruise missiles launched from the Chinese fleet, air force and shore batteries. Just wait and you will see how it's done... :P
Gee I hope the CCP doesn't sink all our B2 bombers and advanced cruse missiles.
You should realize that the US no longer has the means to defeat China conventionally, particularly in China's own backyard. China's means there are overwhelming superior to anything the US could bring, short of nuclear weapons, of course.

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Re: Beijing "honours" Australia.

Post by neverfail » Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:28 pm

Neither the PRC nor the Americans want war. The two seem to be jockeying for positions in a mutual standoff.

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Re: Beijing "honours" Australia.

Post by Milo » Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:34 pm

neverfail wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:28 pm
Neither the PRC nor the Americans want war. The two seem to be jockeying for positions in a mutual standoff.
The difference that China has invented a bunch of islands in order to choke off free navigation.

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Re: Beijing "honours" Australia.

Post by Sertorio » Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:02 am

Milo wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:34 pm
neverfail wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:28 pm
Neither the PRC nor the Americans want war. The two seem to be jockeying for positions in a mutual standoff.
The difference that China has invented a bunch of islands in order to choke off free navigation.
You know that is not true. China is not interfering with freedom of navigation, in accordance with international law. Foreign military vessels going through China's territorial waters is not "freedom of navigation".

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