Good News from Cuba! [not for Sertorio]

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Re: Good News from Cuba! [not for Sertorio]

Post by Milo » Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:15 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:48 am
Milo wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:42 am
Ironically enough, many communist states live or die by family lines. It’s almost as if you get the de facto government your society is ready for, regardless of what de jure system is imposed :D

This is Cuba figuring out things post-Castro. hopefully Cuba can transition to a multi party system and establish other checks and balances. In the short term, I think that is quite doable and likely the best we can hope for.

The next most likely thing is one of those fading commie states, where ambivalence rules: everybody knows the system has failed and hates it but some lingering chauvinism makes the majority of people hang back.

It occurs to me a Papal visit might send the right message...
Why are you so concerned about Cuba? Do you have any ties to the country or to some Cuban? Seeing that Canada is facing some very embarrassing issues, shouldn't you focus on those issues rather than on the problems of a country which does not seem to need or want any foreign interference? Or is Canada being in any way threatened by Cuba?...
Why are you so concerned about Cuba? Do you have any ties to the country or to some Cuban?

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Re: Good News from Cuba! [not for Sertorio]

Post by cassowary » Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:35 pm

neverfail wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:36 am
cassowary wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:36 pm
neverfail wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:18 am


No guarantee at all that a post Castro Cuba will be a happier place.
That’s true. There is no guarantee that a post communist Cuba will be a happier place. But it is guaranteed that continued rule by the present communist regime means an unhappy place.

So rejoice that the people are revolting. Viva le Revolucion.
:lol: :lol: Now Cass, according to my online dictionary the meaning of the word revolting = "causing intense disgust; disgusting." Now, just because on the streets of Havana the crowd is in rebellion against their degraded living conditions and the regime of government they blame for those does not mean they should be dismissed as vile. :)
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Now, all joking aside; so far the street protests which seems to have become endemic in Havana. But there is as yet there has been no indication on the news of these having spread beyond the Cuban capital to the provincial centres elsewhere. That does not mean that there is less discontent out there; just that the protests have not spread that far.

Cuba as we both know is not, never has been, by any means a rich country but I have read recently that conditions have recently changed from poor but tolerably so to plain intolerable.

1. A bungled attempt at free markets reform by their government has sent inflation spiraling out of control making even basic essentials (when these are available which is not always) non affordable to most.

2. With Covid-19 raging in Cuba as in so many other countries their government has failed to secure adequate supplies of vacine.

Yet a protest movement it all that it still is. To become a serious threat to the government it will need to morph into an organised movement with an agenda for change (think of Polish Solidarity in the 1980's for a role model) with clearly recognised leadership. So far this has not eventuated.
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Re: Good News from Cuba! [not for Sertorio]

Post by neverfail » Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:43 pm

Love your The Wizard of Id cartoon insert Cass.

I recall the very same one being published in one of our newspapers about half a century ago.

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Re: religion, like love, is blind?

Post by neverfail » Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:51 pm

Milo wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:15 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:48 am
Milo wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:42 am
Ironically enough, many communist states live or die by family lines. It’s almost as if you get the de facto government your society is ready for, regardless of what de jure system is imposed :D

This is Cuba figuring out things post-Castro. hopefully Cuba can transition to a multi party system and establish other checks and balances. In the short term, I think that is quite doable and likely the best we can hope for.

The next most likely thing is one of those fading commie states, where ambivalence rules: everybody knows the system has failed and hates it but some lingering chauvinism makes the majority of people hang back.

It occurs to me a Papal visit might send the right message...
Why are you so concerned about Cuba? Do you have any ties to the country or to some Cuban? Seeing that Canada is facing some very embarrassing issues, shouldn't you focus on those issues rather than on the problems of a country which does not seem to need or want any foreign interference? Or is Canada being in any way threatened by Cuba?...
Why are you so concerned about Cuba? Do you have any ties to the country or to some Cuban?
Nah! More likely Sertorio loves Cuba for a similar reason to the one that Ellen loves Israel for. Being socialist Cuba is one of his holy of holies.

(Perhaps an untouchable sacred cow would be more apt a description.)

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Re: Good News from Cuba! [not for Sertorio]

Post by Sertorio » Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:02 pm

Milo wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:15 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:48 am
Milo wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:42 am
Ironically enough, many communist states live or die by family lines. It’s almost as if you get the de facto government your society is ready for, regardless of what de jure system is imposed :D

This is Cuba figuring out things post-Castro. hopefully Cuba can transition to a multi party system and establish other checks and balances. In the short term, I think that is quite doable and likely the best we can hope for.

The next most likely thing is one of those fading commie states, where ambivalence rules: everybody knows the system has failed and hates it but some lingering chauvinism makes the majority of people hang back.

It occurs to me a Papal visit might send the right message...
Why are you so concerned about Cuba? Do you have any ties to the country or to some Cuban? Seeing that Canada is facing some very embarrassing issues, shouldn't you focus on those issues rather than on the problems of a country which does not seem to need or want any foreign interference? Or is Canada being in any way threatened by Cuba?...
Why are you so concerned about Cuba? Do you have any ties to the country or to some Cuban?
I am always concerned when I see people being bullied...

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Re: Good News from Cuba! [not for Sertorio]

Post by Milo » Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:24 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:02 pm
Milo wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:15 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:48 am
Milo wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:42 am
Ironically enough, many communist states live or die by family lines. It’s almost as if you get the de facto government your society is ready for, regardless of what de jure system is imposed :D

This is Cuba figuring out things post-Castro. hopefully Cuba can transition to a multi party system and establish other checks and balances. In the short term, I think that is quite doable and likely the best we can hope for.

The next most likely thing is one of those fading commie states, where ambivalence rules: everybody knows the system has failed and hates it but some lingering chauvinism makes the majority of people hang back.

It occurs to me a Papal visit might send the right message...
Why are you so concerned about Cuba? Do you have any ties to the country or to some Cuban? Seeing that Canada is facing some very embarrassing issues, shouldn't you focus on those issues rather than on the problems of a country which does not seem to need or want any foreign interference? Or is Canada being in any way threatened by Cuba?...
Why are you so concerned about Cuba? Do you have any ties to the country or to some Cuban?
I am always concerned when I see people being bullied...
Seeing that Portugal is facing some very embarrassing issues, shouldn't you focus on those issues rather than on the problems of a country which does not seem to need or want any foreign interference? Or is Portugal being in any way threatened by Cuba?

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Re: Good News from Cuba! [not for Sertorio]

Post by Sertorio » Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:34 pm

Milo wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:24 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:02 pm
Milo wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:15 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:48 am
Milo wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:42 am
Ironically enough, many communist states live or die by family lines. It’s almost as if you get the de facto government your society is ready for, regardless of what de jure system is imposed :D

This is Cuba figuring out things post-Castro. hopefully Cuba can transition to a multi party system and establish other checks and balances. In the short term, I think that is quite doable and likely the best we can hope for.

The next most likely thing is one of those fading commie states, where ambivalence rules: everybody knows the system has failed and hates it but some lingering chauvinism makes the majority of people hang back.

It occurs to me a Papal visit might send the right message...
Why are you so concerned about Cuba? Do you have any ties to the country or to some Cuban? Seeing that Canada is facing some very embarrassing issues, shouldn't you focus on those issues rather than on the problems of a country which does not seem to need or want any foreign interference? Or is Canada being in any way threatened by Cuba?...
Why are you so concerned about Cuba? Do you have any ties to the country or to some Cuban?
I am always concerned when I see people being bullied...
Seeing that Portugal is facing some very embarrassing issues, shouldn't you focus on those issues rather than on the problems of a country which does not seem to need or want any foreign interference? Or is Portugal being in any way threatened by Cuba?
What issues?...As far as I know no graves of abused native children have been found in Portugal...

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Re: religion, like love, is blind?

Post by cassowary » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:01 pm

neverfail wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:51 pm
Milo wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:15 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:48 am
Milo wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:42 am
Ironically enough, many communist states live or die by family lines. It’s almost as if you get the de facto government your society is ready for, regardless of what de jure system is imposed :D

This is Cuba figuring out things post-Castro. hopefully Cuba can transition to a multi party system and establish other checks and balances. In the short term, I think that is quite doable and likely the best we can hope for.

The next most likely thing is one of those fading commie states, where ambivalence rules: everybody knows the system has failed and hates it but some lingering chauvinism makes the majority of people hang back.

It occurs to me a Papal visit might send the right message...
Why are you so concerned about Cuba? Do you have any ties to the country or to some Cuban? Seeing that Canada is facing some very embarrassing issues, shouldn't you focus on those issues rather than on the problems of a country which does not seem to need or want any foreign interference? Or is Canada being in any way threatened by Cuba?...
Why are you so concerned about Cuba? Do you have any ties to the country or to some Cuban?
Nah! More likely Sertorio loves Cuba for a similar reason to the one that Ellen loves Israel for. Being socialist Cuba is one of his holy of holies.

(Perhaps an untouchable sacred cow would be more apt a description.)
I agree! For Sertorio, Socialism/Communism is like a religion. So he can't give it up. I suspect he must have given up much of his life for his religion. So he can't face the stark truth that it was all for nothing.
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Re: Good News from Cuba! [not for Sertorio]

Post by cassowary » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:24 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:34 pm
Milo wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:24 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:02 pm
Milo wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:15 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:48 am
Milo wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:42 am
Ironically enough, many communist states live or die by family lines. It’s almost as if you get the de facto government your society is ready for, regardless of what de jure system is imposed :D

This is Cuba figuring out things post-Castro. hopefully Cuba can transition to a multi party system and establish other checks and balances. In the short term, I think that is quite doable and likely the best we can hope for.

The next most likely thing is one of those fading commie states, where ambivalence rules: everybody knows the system has failed and hates it but some lingering chauvinism makes the majority of people hang back.

It occurs to me a Papal visit might send the right message...
Why are you so concerned about Cuba? Do you have any ties to the country or to some Cuban? Seeing that Canada is facing some very embarrassing issues, shouldn't you focus on those issues rather than on the problems of a country which does not seem to need or want any foreign interference? Or is Canada being in any way threatened by Cuba?...
Why are you so concerned about Cuba? Do you have any ties to the country or to some Cuban?
I am always concerned when I see people being bullied...
Seeing that Portugal is facing some very embarrassing issues, shouldn't you focus on those issues rather than on the problems of a country which does not seem to need or want any foreign interference? Or is Portugal being in any way threatened by Cuba?
What issues?...As far as I know no graves of abused native children have been found in Portugal...
That's because they are all in Africa - Angola and Mozambique.
LISBON — The heads of enemy soldiers impaled on roadside trees. Hundreds of prisoners tortured, killed and dumped in mass graves. Napalm dropped on jungles where guerrillas sheltered, and grass-hut villages torched with cigarette lighters.
These gruesome acts were carried out in Portugal’s name two generations ago during its colonial wars in Africa. But for most Portuguese, the events aren’t history -- they’re news.

A groundbreaking series aired by public broadcaster Radiotelevisao Portuguesa is confronting Portugal with unsettling aspects of its recent history that for decades have been shrouded in silence.
Sertorio, since you served there as an officer, you must have witnessed some of this or even participated in the atrocities.
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Re: Good News from Cuba! [not for Sertorio]

Post by cassowary » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:25 pm

neverfail wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:43 pm
Love your The Wizard of Id cartoon insert Cass.

I recall the very same one being published in one of our newspapers about half a century ago.
It was one of my favorite cartoons - along with Bugs Bunny.
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