Good News from Cuba! [not for Sertorio]

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Good News from Cuba! [not for Sertorio]

Post by cassowary » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:12 pm

Cuba protests: Thousands rally against government as economy struggles
Thousands of Cubans have risked jail by joining the biggest protests for decades against the island's Communist government.

"There is no food, no medicine, there is no freedom. They do not let us live," one of Sunday's protesters named only as Alejandro told BBC Mundo.

The protests are significant, because government critics face harsh punishments for dissent in Cuba.

The island's president called for his supporters to "fight" the protesters.

Cuba is in the midst of an economic crisis and has been hit hard by US sanctions and Covid.

Cubans have been angered by the collapse of the economy, food and medicine shortages, price hikes and the government's handling of the pandemic.

Protesters shouted "freedom" and "down with the dictatorship" in demonstrations across Cuba, including the capital Havana.

"We are not afraid. We want change, we do not want any more dictatorship," an unnamed protester in San Antonio told the BBC.

Dozens of anti-government protesters were arrested by security forces who were assisted by plain clothes officers, Reuters news agency reports. Images on social media showed what appeared to be security forces detaining, beating and pepper-spraying some of the protesters.

There were reports of internet blackouts across the island and a photographer with Associated Press was injured after a confrontation with security forces.
Bad news for you, Sertorio. I know you always side with the most evil regimes.
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Re: Good News from Cuba! [not for Sertorio]

Post by neverfail » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:36 pm

In what way is the misery they are suffering in Cuba good news Cassowary? Do you get a schadenfreude kind of perverse satisfaction from news of other people's misfortunes?

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Re: Good News from Cuba! [not for Sertorio]

Post by cassowary » Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:00 pm

neverfail wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:36 pm
In what way is the misery they are suffering in Cuba good news Cassowary? Do you get a schadenfreude kind of perverse satisfaction from news of other people's misfortunes?
The misery is caused by Socialism/Communism imposed by the Cuban government. To impose this unnatural ideology, you need a dictatorship. Now if this evil government is overthrown, the people can finally grow rich with capitalism. Capitalism usually leads to Freedom and Democracy as in Chile, Taiwan, South Korea and Singapore.

With these protests, there is a glimmer of hope that the Cubans can finally attain prosperity and freedom.

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I can see where your sympathy lies since you don’t take delight in the possible downfall of the Communist regime.
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Re: Good News from Cuba! [not for Sertorio]

Post by Sertorio » Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:58 am

cassowary wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:00 pm
neverfail wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:36 pm
In what way is the misery they are suffering in Cuba good news Cassowary? Do you get a schadenfreude kind of perverse satisfaction from news of other people's misfortunes?
The misery is caused by Socialism/Communism imposed by the Cuban government. To impose this unnatural ideology, you need a dictatorship. Now if this evil government is overthrown, the people can finally grow rich with capitalism. Capitalism usually leads to Freedom and Democracy as in Chile, Taiwan, South Korea and Singapore.

With these protests, there is a glimmer of hope that the Cubans can finally attain prosperity and freedom.

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I can see where your sympathy lies since you don’t take delight in the possible downfall of the Communist regime.
The misery is mostly caused by American sanctions, which have been kept for 60 years in spite of the UN General Assembly having consistently condemned them, by unanimous vote minus two (US and Israel). But Cuba will survive these sanctions and - by having an infant mortality lower than the US and a life expectancy higher than the US - continue showing that the Cuban government cares more about Cubans than the American government cares about Americans.

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Re: Good News from Cuba! [not for Sertorio]

Post by neverfail » Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:18 am

cassowary wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:00 pm
neverfail wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:36 pm
In what way is the misery they are suffering in Cuba good news Cassowary? Do you get a schadenfreude kind of perverse satisfaction from news of other people's misfortunes?
The misery is caused by Socialism/Communism imposed by the Cuban government. To impose this unnatural ideology, you need a dictatorship. Now if this evil government is overthrown, the people can finally grow rich with capitalism. Capitalism usually leads to Freedom and Democracy as in Chile, Taiwan, South Korea and Singapore.
Oh Casso, always the incurable romantic and optimist!

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I can see where your sympathy lies since you don’t take delight in the possible downfall of the Communist regime.
The regime is still in power. I have also studied and become aware of how many revolutionary upheavals went badly wrong. That is why I hold back on your kind of
premature delight.

No guarantee at all that a post Castro Cuba will be a happier place.

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Re: Good News from Cuba! [not for Sertorio]

Post by neverfail » Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:19 am

Sertorio wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:58 am

The misery is mostly caused by American sanctions, which have been kept for 60 years in spite of the UN General Assembly having consistently condemned them, by unanimous vote minus two (US and Israel). But Cuba will survive these sanctions and - by having an infant mortality lower than the US and a life expectancy higher than the US - continue showing that the Cuban government cares more about Cubans than the American government cares about Americans.
But you are aware (are you not?) that their economy is crumbling around them? I have witnessed BBC camera crews in Cuba interviewing young adult Cubans on the streets of Havana who claim that thanks to runaway inflation and shortages of life's nercessities life in their country has become impossible.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57802170

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Re: Good News from Cuba! [not for Sertorio]

Post by cassowary » Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:36 pm

neverfail wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:18 am
cassowary wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:00 pm
neverfail wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:36 pm
In what way is the misery they are suffering in Cuba good news Cassowary? Do you get a schadenfreude kind of perverse satisfaction from news of other people's misfortunes?
The misery is caused by Socialism/Communism imposed by the Cuban government. To impose this unnatural ideology, you need a dictatorship. Now if this evil government is overthrown, the people can finally grow rich with capitalism. Capitalism usually leads to Freedom and Democracy as in Chile, Taiwan, South Korea and Singapore.
Oh Casso, always the incurable romantic and optimist!

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I can see where your sympathy lies since you don’t take delight in the possible downfall of the Communist regime.
The regime is still in power. I have also studied and become aware of how many revolutionary upheavals went badly wrong. That is why I hold back on your kind of
premature delight.

No guarantee at all that a post Castro Cuba will be a happier place.
That’s true. There is no guarantee that a post communist Cuba will be a happier place. But it is guaranteed that continued rule by the present communist regime means an unhappy place.

So rejoice that the people are revolting. Viva le Revolucion.
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Re: Good News from Cuba! [not for Sertorio]

Post by neverfail » Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:36 am

cassowary wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:36 pm
neverfail wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:18 am


No guarantee at all that a post Castro Cuba will be a happier place.
That’s true. There is no guarantee that a post communist Cuba will be a happier place. But it is guaranteed that continued rule by the present communist regime means an unhappy place.

So rejoice that the people are revolting. Viva le Revolucion.
:lol: :lol: Now Cass, according to my online dictionary the meaning of the word revolting = "causing intense disgust; disgusting." Now, just because on the streets of Havana the crowd is in rebellion against their degraded living conditions and the regime of government they blame for those does not mean they should be dismissed as vile. :)
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Now, all joking aside; so far the street protests which seems to have become endemic in Havana. But there is as yet there has been no indication on the news of these having spread beyond the Cuban capital to the provincial centres elsewhere. That does not mean that there is less discontent out there; just that the protests have not spread that far.

Cuba as we both know is not, never has been, by any means a rich country but I have read recently that conditions have recently changed from poor but tolerably so to plain intolerable.

1. A bungled attempt at free markets reform by their government has sent inflation spiraling out of control making even basic essentials (when these are available which is not always) non affordable to most.

2. With Covid-19 raging in Cuba as in so many other countries their government has failed to secure adequate supplies of vacine.

Yet a protest movement it all that it still is. To become a serious threat to the government it will need to morph into an organised movement with an agenda for change (think of Polish Solidarity in the 1980's for a role model) with clearly recognised leadership. So far this has not eventuated.

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Re: Good News from Cuba! [not for Sertorio]

Post by Milo » Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:42 am

Ironically enough, many communist states live or die by family lines. It’s almost as if you get the de facto government your society is ready for, regardless of what de jure system is imposed :D

This is Cuba figuring out things post-Castro. hopefully Cuba can transition to a multi party system and establish other checks and balances. In the short term, I think that is quite doable and likely the best we can hope for.

The next most likely thing is one of those fading commie states, where ambivalence rules: everybody knows the system has failed and hates it but some lingering chauvinism makes the majority of people hang back.

It occurs to me a Papal visit might send the right message...

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Post by Sertorio » Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:48 am

Milo wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:42 am
Ironically enough, many communist states live or die by family lines. It’s almost as if you get the de facto government your society is ready for, regardless of what de jure system is imposed :D

This is Cuba figuring out things post-Castro. hopefully Cuba can transition to a multi party system and establish other checks and balances. In the short term, I think that is quite doable and likely the best we can hope for.

The next most likely thing is one of those fading commie states, where ambivalence rules: everybody knows the system has failed and hates it but some lingering chauvinism makes the majority of people hang back.

It occurs to me a Papal visit might send the right message...
Why are you so concerned about Cuba? Do you have any ties to the country or to some Cuban? Seeing that Canada is facing some very embarrassing issues, shouldn't you focus on those issues rather than on the problems of a country which does not seem to need or want any foreign interference? Or is Canada being in any way threatened by Cuba?...

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